Adding Reply Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Things for your chest? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Anonymous Posted at 5:13 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 Allright, I've been wanting to get a flatter chest (a guy here, I think I'm kinda chunky so I've been doing push-ups. Like three sets of 12 every other day...that's what I was told to do by a friend...I was wondering, is that too little? I've been seeing a little bit of change but I'm still not where I want to be. I was told not to bother with cardio if I'm trying to build a little bit of muscle (a la push-ups, other floor exercises) but I figure that would be best way to slim down in general right? Cause I was doing cardio on the treadmill every other day for an hour and they told me to stop. So is there anything else I could do for my chest without machines and dumb bells in addition to push-ups?

Replies RyanL Posted at 3:57 pm on Dec. 19, 2008 Quote: from c0verst0ry at 9:17 am on Dec. 19, 2008 It's not bullshit, but whatever. And I don't care about your expertise. He only wants a flatter chest. To be completely honest, none of this really matters at all if that's all he cares about. Now, the eight times a week on Wikipedia comes from a graph listed on the page for strength training. Besides, to be completely honest, it is completely based upon how quickly one recovers from working out. No, if you still haven't from a previous work out, you shouldn't go on to still work that same group of muscles out. You should always wait until you have recovered. The thing is, that I was basing that off myself. I have a great recovery time of usually about one day, no more than two. Sure, not everyone is going to recover that fast and seeing as how this guy has only been doing push-ups, he probably isn't going to be used to doing anything intense. And sorry about my word usage, I'm fucking dyslexia and have the time what I type and what I mean to type are completely different things and I have trouble expressing thoughts as written or spoken word. Overtraining will apply to anything, but as I stated earlier, all he's worried about is a flatter chest and nothing more. It really isn't a huge deal. If what you've read doesn't show that I disagree with the information, then you are a moron. I simply gave him the information that I've used before and didn't add anything personal to it, such as my opinion on how often one should work out. Also, to be honest, I fucked up in my original post. I meant to tell him no more than four times, but to hell with it. Even so, I do still disagree with you on a lot of things. I'm not mentioning them because arguing over the internet is fucking stupid. I'm sure you'll still read this and find some retarded shit to bitch about simply because you believe that you are right. I would still probably disagree based off of research and experience. Right..... God doesnt even know wtf you were trying to say in that post. But to make something clear 4days a week working a muscle group is still way to fucking much. Go to any legitiment bodybuilding/workout website and they will tell you to work a muscle group 1-2times a day, 3 times MAX. You must be severely lacking if you are still working out using all of your 'research and experience'. c0verst0ry Posted at 9:17 am on Dec. 19, 2008 It's not bullshit, but whatever.  And I don't care about your expertise.  He only wants a flatter chest.  To be completely honest, none of this really matters at all if that's all he cares about.  Now, the eight times a week on Wikipedia comes from a graph listed on the page for strength training.  Besides, to be completely honest, it is completely based upon how quickly one recovers from working out.  No, if you still haven't from a previous work out, you shouldn't go on to still work that same group of muscles out.  You should always wait until you have recovered.  The thing is, that I was basing that off myself.  I have a great recovery time of usually about one day, no more than two.  Sure, not everyone is going to recover that fast and seeing as how this guy has only been doing push-ups, he probably isn't going to be used to doing anything intense.  And sorry about my word usage, I'm fucking dyslexia and have the time what I type and what I mean to type are completely different things and I have trouble expressing thoughts as written or spoken word.  Overtraining will apply to anything, but as I stated earlier, all he's worried about is a flatter chest and nothing more.  It really isn't a huge deal.  If what you've read doesn't show that I disagree with the information, then you are a moron.  I simply gave him the information that I've used before and didn't add anything personal to it, such as my opinion on how often one should work out.  Also, to be honest, I fucked up in my original post.  I meant to tell him no more than four times, but to hell with it. Even so, I do still disagree with you on a lot of things.  I'm not mentioning them because arguing over the internet is fucking stupid.  I'm sure you'll still read this and find some retarded shit to bitch about simply because you believe that you are right.  I would still probably disagree based off of research and experience. RyanL Posted at 1:35 am on Dec. 19, 2008 Quote: from c0verst0ry at 11:09 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 Are you retarded? Even Wikipedia could tell you that hypertrophy training can be done as many as 8 times a week. Overtraining can only be brought into context if you are working toward strength. Besides, he isn't retarded for just wanting to improve his chest. It's his choice. Really it says on wikipedia it can be done up to 8times a week? Where? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy Maybe im blind, but I couldnt find anything in that article about working out the same muscle 8 times a week. Working out to not improve strength? You do know that size increase, muscle increase, strength increase are all related? Sure you may be able to increase your muscle size a minimal percent without increasing any strength but after you gain your 2% increase you are stuck until you step up the weights aka you increase your strength. Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining "Overtraining is an emotional, behavioral and physical condition that occurs when the volume and intensity of an individual's exercise exceeds their recovery capacity. They cease making progress, and can even begin to lose strength and fitness. Overtraining is a common problem in weight training, but it can also be experienced by runners and other athletes. An example of overtraining would be lifting at high-intensity with the same muscle groups 2 days in a row." So... overtraining is only a result if you are working towards strength huh? You're a moron. But I guess being a personal trainer I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. By your theory I should basically just tell everybody to work out every single muscle every day and they will be good to go... You sir must have a sub 70 IQ if you believe any of the bullshit you are spewing out on these forums. c0verst0ry Posted at 11:09 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 Are you retarded?  Even Wikipedia could tell you that hypertrophy training can be done as many as 8 times a week.  Overtraining can only be brought into context if you are working toward strength. Besides, he isn't retarded for just wanting to improve his chest.  It's his choice. RyanL Posted at 10:46 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 Quote: from c0verst0ry at 5:52 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 Actually, how many times a week you work out depends on what you are aiming for. Since you only wants a flatter chest, and since I suggested a hypertrophy workout, it is completely safe to work out four times a week. Are you retarded? Find me 1 study that proves working out any body part more then 2, 3 times MAX a week does any benefit for the body? It is OVERTRAINING. Heard of it? It's when you are not giving a body part enough time to recouperate and heal. You break the muscle down and you are not giving the muscle tissue enough down time to fully regenerate. So you just continually break the muscle down and it is actually BAD for you. You will lose muscle and it will be fatigued constantly. The max you should workout any body part to actually get any real benefits is 2times. Do chest/tri's monday, Leg's tuesday, back/shoulders wed, and bi's/forearms as a light day on thursday. Or split it up any way you really want to. but if you are only going to workout your chest you have other issues going on besides working out like being retarded. c0verst0ry Posted at 5:52 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 Actually, how many times a week you work out depends on what you are aiming for.  Since you only wants a flatter chest, and since I suggested a hypertrophy workout, it is completely safe to work out four times a week. RyanL Posted at 12:47 pm on Dec. 18, 2008 I dont know what people are saying here. But DO NOT work your chest 4 times a week... 2-3 times MAX. I do 1body section/day and lift 7days a week. c0verst0ry Posted at 2:48 am on Dec. 18, 2008 Doing short distance sprints as fast as you can for about 40 seconds would be better.  You could do 40 seconds of sprints, rest a minute and a half, then do another 40 seconds of sprints.  Each 40 second interval would be a set, with a minute and a half between each set.  You should do about 4 or 5 of those sets, twice a week. Anonymous Posted at 9:32 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 For that cardio, what would be good? Treadmill? That's what I was doing but I followed the cardio program on that, so should I just do something very fast on there? c0verst0ry Posted at 8:30 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 You should do short, but extremely fast and intense cardio about twice a week.  Along with that, you should work out every other day.  Your best bet is going to be weights.  Figure out what your max is (a weight that you can do only one rep of).  Then, for the actual work out, use about 70% of your max.  Do about six sets of ten reps.  Do that workout at least four times each week.  If you do this, the workout will cause hypertrophy, so the muscles themselves will grow, and the cardio will burn the fat as well as compliment your regular workout.  That should do it. Anonymous Posted at 6:16 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 I think it will be doable. Thanks studmuffn Posted at 5:34 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:31 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 5:15 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 you wont build mass doing pushups.    get some dumbells or a bar and bench press on decline, flat, incline 3 sets each 8-12 reps MAX. eat alot of protein, dont do cardio and in 3 months u will see lots of improvement. then do cardio and light lifting for 1 month to burn off a bit of the fat and you will see all ur gains.(called a cutting period)    thats the best and only way to do it my friend. It's not so much mass that I want is for them to be flatter lol. They're kinda moobish. do u know wat mass means? it means getting MUSCLE. by doing pushups ur just building up ur resistance, ur not gunna be gaining from that doing that. u need to build muscle underneath ur fat then u do a bit of cardio to burn the fat and u will see all the muscle. u cant do cardio and lift weights at the same time, it doesnt work that way unless you're a boxer/training for mma. Anonymous Posted at 5:31 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 5:15 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 you wont build mass doing pushups. get some dumbells or a bar and bench press on decline, flat, incline 3 sets each 8-12 reps MAX. eat alot of protein, dont do cardio and in 3 months u will see lots of improvement. then do cardio and light lifting for 1 month to burn off a bit of the fat and you will see all ur gains.(called a cutting period) thats the best and only way to do it my friend. It's not so much mass that I want is for them to be flatter lol. They're kinda moobish. dancetillyadrop Posted at 5:16 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 Its going to take time, just be patient. Try crunches. And cardio might work to slim down, if your weight shows its going up its only muscle johndoe240 Posted at 5:16 pm on Dec. 17, 2008 cardio never hurt nobody and it helps to lower ones body fat Most recent 15 of 17 previous replies displayed.