Quote: from Moridin at 6:27 am on Oct. 6, 2007 Quote: from Loud Dog at 1:54 pm on Oct. 6, 2007 Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:43 pm on Oct. 5, 2007 Ah, gee, does the truth hurt that badly, Loud Dog?Truth? You called us lovely people and said we had great excuses. Excuse me if I have a realistic sense of my own moral standing. Yes, I am well aware that theft is a crime. However, as crimes go, it's one I could live with committing. It is not a crime when you are returning to money to the people who the Churches stole from (false marketing).Your 'opinion' has no legal standing. Stealing IS a crime.
Quote: from Loud Dog at 1:54 pm on Oct. 6, 2007 Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:43 pm on Oct. 5, 2007 Ah, gee, does the truth hurt that badly, Loud Dog?Truth? You called us lovely people and said we had great excuses. Excuse me if I have a realistic sense of my own moral standing. Yes, I am well aware that theft is a crime. However, as crimes go, it's one I could live with committing. It is not a crime when you are returning to money to the people who the Churches stole from (false marketing).
Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:43 pm on Oct. 5, 2007 Ah, gee, does the truth hurt that badly, Loud Dog?Truth? You called us lovely people and said we had great excuses. Excuse me if I have a realistic sense of my own moral standing. Yes, I am well aware that theft is a crime. However, as crimes go, it's one I could live with committing.
Ah, gee, does the truth hurt that badly, Loud Dog?
Excuse me if I have a realistic sense of my own moral standing.
Yes, I am well aware that theft is a crime. However, as crimes go, it's one I could live with committing.
That is just your opinion. You cannot play relativist with me.
Your "spinning globular bodies stay the same" is false, yes, given the definition of "spinning." However, I never said that the sun wouldn't rise because the earth will stop spinning now.
There are lots of other ways in which the sun could not rise tomorrow. For instance, the earth could stop turning the moment the sun is about to rise, or, indeed, the sun could cease to exist altogether.
You are binding yourself by physics, and physics, though highly useful, are based on faith that Occam's razor absolutely provides explanations that are more likely to be correct.
My argument is that the laws of physics might suddenly change tomorrow, or, indeed, that there might be some hidden hidden function that is defined to be 0 up until tomorrow but then suddenly becomes 12, which drastically effects all of the physical laws.
Occam's razor would, of course, tell us not to believe in such a hidden function, but we accept Occam's razor based purely on faith (or "inductive reasoning," but in this case, as I've shown, we must use Occam's razor to justify itself which makes it a circular argument).
I love Chocolate =/= I hate vanilla
Again, loving chocolate is not complimentary to hating vanilla. Thus not(I love Chocolate) is not necessarily equal to (I hate vanilla). Whereas in my object, being in the left half is, by definition, the same as not being in the right half. There are no points in the shape that fall in neither half or both halves because I defined the two halves as complementary.
I'm merely curious as to how you would substantiate the claim that God does not exist without using Occam's razor in this way or something equivalent to Occam's razor.
Not many points, but the best I can do.
Hopefully you'll do it more to articulate your point of view, which you quite clearly have.
I'd love to hear your structured argument, honestly.
Give it a shot?
It's weird that nobody has collected yet.