Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic According to Christianity, can Non-Christians even have sex? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]Fauna[/m] at 2:46 pm on July 14, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]Shaknbake[/m] at 10:44 pm on July 14, 2008[quote] American Christians have a vendetta out over gay marriage being an offense to God when realistically, according to Christian doctrine, they should be railing against non-Christians being allowed to marry with exactly as much fervor. It's partly about that, but I don't want this turning into a gay marriage debate, because it's not supposed to be.[/quote] but you're not talking about Christian marriage, you're talking about secularized marriage ceremonies - who has a problem with gay civil partnerships? [/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Shaknbake Posted at 2:33 pm on July 14, 2008 If marriage is a Christian and not a secular arrangement, then surely only Christians wed according to Christian standards or by Christian ceremony and in accordance with the practice of the Christian community can have marital sex. If sex is a sin outside of marriage, and only allowed within, doesn't that mean that all non-Christians are having unmarried sex? Is that acceptable to Jehovah, by Christian standards? Is it possible for anyone but Christians to be married and have sex, in Jehovah's eyes?

Replies exceedinglyrare Posted at 1:12 pm on July 26, 2008 Quote: from TRUCUBANDYME305 at 3:56 pm on July 26, 2008 By bible your only suppose to have sex if you are married by law. Where does it say that? TRUCUBANDYME305 Posted at 12:56 pm on July 26, 2008 By bible your only suppose to have sex if you are married by law. exceedinglyrare Posted at 4:35 pm on July 23, 2008 I'm still trying to figure that out for myself. It's pretty clear that the Bible takes a stance against extra-marital sex, but it never sits down and says, "This is what marriage is, and this is the point at which a couple is officially married." The position has changed so much throughout the centuries based on different cultural norms...I mean, if we really want to go back to Biblical times, you were considered tied in marriage from the time you were betrothed, but it changes so often throughout history that it's just very difficult to say. At the end of the day, I'd say that if you're truly seeking to do God's will, it wouldn't matter who married you at the end of the day. Other people probably will say differently, but I really don't give a damn. Shaknbake Posted at 1:57 pm on July 23, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:41 am on July 23, 2008 Why is it irrelevent if that is the Christian position on the issue? Because the position regards a rather specific issue within Christian doctrine. In the grander scheme, of course it doesn't matter what non-Christians do. I realize that. If I ask what the last sound someone's going to perceive before the H-bomb destroys them, is it a fair answer to say "It doesn't matter! They dead!" ? I don't believe so. If you want an answer to the question, sure they can have sex. They can also steal, murder, lie, etc., as not being saved, it doesn't really matter. Here's the better answer you can give me; does Jehovah recognize anyone as married who is not already a saved Christian, and why do you believe that to be the case? exceedinglyrare Posted at 4:41 am on July 23, 2008 Quote: from Shaknbake at 1:21 am on July 23, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 5:06 pm on July 21, 2008 *link* I still see you claiming (or at least supporting the claim) that the question is irrelevant. If non-Christian marital sex issues are peripheral, the question is peripheral.   As I said before, this is not a thread about non-Christian salvation. The marital sex issue being peripheral to salvation is irrelevant to this thread.   Why is it irrelevent if that is the Christian position on the issue? If you want an answer to the question, sure they can have sex. They can also steal, murder, lie, etc., as not being saved, it doesn't really matter. Shaknbake Posted at 10:21 pm on July 22, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 5:06 pm on July 21, 2008 *link* I still see you claiming (or at least supporting the claim) that the question is irrelevant. If non-Christian marital sex issues are peripheral, the question is peripheral. As I said before, this is not a thread about non-Christian salvation. The marital sex issue being peripheral to salvation is irrelevant to this thread. exceedinglyrare Posted at 5:06 pm on July 21, 2008 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-yaenttb-support-bn.html#51 Shaknbake Posted at 3:16 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 2:58 pm on July 21, 2008 I was referring to another post made and your complaint about that post, not your original post. Care to direct me to the exchange or must I fish through the pages myself? exceedinglyrare Posted at 2:58 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from Shaknbake at 5:34 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:42 am on July 21, 2008 I wasn't saying that the question is irrelevent. I wasn't even answering your question. I was just stating that it's a valid point that because non-Christians are, by most interpretations, going to hell anyway, other sins they may commit aren't terribly important and Christians can't really impose their morality on them. I know what you were saying. Being that you know you weren't answering my question, why this? Quote: from [You] How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex? Not answering the question is not answering the question. Pointing out that non-Christians are damned anyway is saying that the question of whether or not non-Christians can have marital sex is irrelevant in the scheme of things. I was referring to another post made and your complaint about that post, not your original post. Shaknbake Posted at 2:39 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from John87 at 8:07 am on July 21, 2008 Most Christian denominations oppose sex before marriage. (Although some protestants allow it). As for marriage, all the religions in the world have it as a ceremony.footnote1 Moreover, people with different faiths can have marriage ceremonies of both faiths at the same place.footnote2 Additionally, people can always get married in municipalities.footnote3 So Non-Christians can have sex. 1. Irrelevant. The issue is whether or not Jehovah recognizes sex within pagan marriages as sinful or not, the issue is not whether marriage is a tradition exclusive to Christianity (it's obviously not). 2. Also irrelevant. We know interfaith marriages exist. What does this have to do with marriage in a Christian theological context? 3. Why do you think Jehovah gives a damn who the crown considers married? Shaknbake Posted at 2:35 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from amanitta at 7:37 am on July 21, 2008 but having sex outside marriage is a sin,it's forbidden in islam ! Fine, then take it within the context of Islam: Can non-Muslims/Christians/Jews get married and have sex, or would they be committing non-marital sex anyway because Allah doesn't recognize pagan marriage? Shaknbake Posted at 2:34 pm on July 21, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:42 am on July 21, 2008 I wasn't saying that the question is irrelevent. I wasn't even answering your question. I was just stating that it's a valid point that because non-Christians are, by most interpretations, going to hell anyway, other sins they may commit aren't terribly important and Christians can't really impose their morality on them. I know what you were saying. Being that you know you weren't answering my question, why this? Quote: from [You] How is it not answering the question to point out that it doesn't matter whether or not non-Christians have sex? Not answering the question is not answering the question. Pointing out that non-Christians are damned anyway is saying that the question of whether or not non-Christians can have marital sex is irrelevant in the scheme of things. John87 Posted at 8:07 am on July 21, 2008 Most Christian denominations oppose sex before marriage. (Although some protestants allow it). As for marriage, all the religions in the world have it as a ceremony. Moreover, people with different faiths can have marriage ceremonies of both faiths at the same place. Additionally, people can always get married in municipalities. So Non-Christians can have sex. amanitta Posted at 7:37 am on July 21, 2008 Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:33 pm on July 14, 2008 If sex is a sin outside of marriage, and only allowed within, doesn't that mean that all non-Christians are having unmarried sex? but having sex outside marriage is a sin,it's forbidden in islam ! exceedinglyrare Posted at 4:42 am on July 21, 2008 I wasn't saying that the question is irrelevent. I wasn't even answering your question. I was just stating that it's a valid point that because non-Christians are, by most interpretations, going to hell anyway, other sins they may commit aren't terribly important and Christians can't really impose their morality on them. Most recent 15 of 80 previous replies displayed.