Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic If you're going to bring God into an argument, do it thououghly. Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]Lihiro[/m] at 2:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]SpM[/m] at 2:51 pm on Oct. 22, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]Lihiro[/m] at 10:49 pm on Oct. 22, 2008[quote]No.    The idea of a belief is something you follow to meet your needs, and not be pressured by.[/quote] If God is an external and almighty force, then our needs, or rather wants, are irrelevant. God's commands are God's commands.[/quote] If you believe that, okay. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person. There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post chelseamorgan Posted at 2:47 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 So many people I know do this: You try to have an intelligent argument about a issue that often gets brought up as a religious thing, like abortion. They say, well I'm pro-life. The only reason they say they are pro-life is because of God. Okay, you can believe what you want. But then you ask them if they'd ever have sex with their boyfriend in high school. They say sure. You tell them well God doesn't want you to do that either. They say, it doesn't matter what God says. ----- Basically, do you think if someone believes in something primarily because of God they should believe the the "God side" in the rest of their arguments?

Replies Shogun villimax Posted at 3:55 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 "But then you ask them if they'd ever have sex with their boyfriend in high school. They say sure. You tell them well God doesn't want you to do that either. They say, it doesn't matter what God says." You'r apsolutly right! We need to stick to our guns in everything! chelseamorgan Posted at 3:12 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 Quote: from GrapePepper at 4:08 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 wow i'm so glad this topic isn't about me   :0 who said that i have a feeling it was larrisa *Laryssa I think it was, too. GrapePepper Posted at 3:08 pm on Oct. 27, 2008 wow i'm so glad this topic isn't about me :0 who said that i have a feeling it was larrisa osmoticdespair Posted at 10:37 am on Oct. 23, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:49 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 No. The idea of a belief is something you follow to meet your needs, and not be pressured by. exceedinglyrare Posted at 5:14 am on Oct. 23, 2008 Quote: from rebelmozzerella at 5:47 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 So many people I know do this: You try to have an intelligent argument about a issue that often gets brought up as a religious thing, like abortion. They say, well I'm pro-life. The only reason they say they are pro-life is because of God. Okay, you can believe what you want. But then you ask them if they'd ever have sex with their boyfriend in high school. They say sure. You tell them well God doesn't want you to do that either. They say, it doesn't matter what God says. ----- Basically, do you think if someone believes in something primarily because of God they should believe the the "God side" in the rest of their arguments? Up until the last line of your conversation, it doesn't quite work like that. There's no reason a person can't believe that God is against abortion but not against extramarital sex. Granted, it takes a bit of stretching for the latter, but that doesn't make them hypocritical at all. It only makes them people who believe that God values life but doesn't care when you have sex and with whom. Lihiro Posted at 12:03 am on Oct. 23, 2008 Quote: from Acid World at 8:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 2:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from SpM at 2:51 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:49 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 No.        The idea of a belief is something you follow to meet your needs, and not be pressured by.     If God is an external and almighty force, then our needs, or rather wants, are irrelevant. God's commands are God's commands.    If you believe that, okay. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person.    There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones. I don't understand your reasoning. I've always actually been confused by religious sects. There was clearly an intial religious code at some point in time for all religious. A group says "Hey, we don't agree with this stuff, so we are going to take the holy book and highlight these areas and rephrase these areas, and we are going to call ourselves baptists!" or whatever. How can a person even justify this among their followers? A religion is a religion, and God says that we should all obey his law to a T and if we don't we "repent" or whatever (which is actually an example of religious doctrine being rephrased because people grew upset over being damned). If somebody is able to conciously say "I don't like God's law, so I'm going to make a new religious sect to my specific wants but still whole-heartedly believe in God" how fucking crazy is that person? I agree with you, but it's still not what I was trying to say, lol. I think I've given up trying to communicate my thoughts across. Acid World Posted at 8:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 2:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from SpM at 2:51 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:49 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 No.   The idea of a belief is something you follow to meet your needs, and not be pressured by.    If God is an external and almighty force, then our needs, or rather wants, are irrelevant. God's commands are God's commands. If you believe that, okay. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person. There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones. I don't understand your reasoning. I've always actually been confused by religious sects. There was clearly an intial religious code at some point in time for all religious. A group says "Hey, we don't agree with this stuff, so we are going to take the holy book and highlight these areas and rephrase these areas, and we are going to call ourselves baptists!" or whatever. How can a person even justify this among their followers? A religion is a religion, and God says that we should all obey his law to a T and if we don't we "repent" or whatever (which is actually an example of religious doctrine being rephrased because people grew upset over being damned). If somebody is able to conciously say "I don't like God's law, so I'm going to make a new religious sect to my specific wants but still whole-heartedly believe in God" how fucking crazy is that person? chelseamorgan Posted at 4:43 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from warcrawl at 5:04 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 i dont think killing a baby and having sex are ont he same parralell hun,sorry. According to the Bible which all Christians follow (if you don't then you can hardly consider yourself a true Christian) all sins are held to same level. And its not a baby. Its an unborn baby. There's a big difference. Lihiro Posted at 3:12 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from SpM at 3:08 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 If you believe that, okay. I don't believe in God or Christianity, but arguing from a hypothetical standpoint, I feel you are a hypocrite. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person. God's will of you as a person? There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones. If everyone acted in perfect accordance to God's will, we would all act in the same way. And this would be good. Of course we can neither act perfectly or perfectly understand how we should act, but we should sincerely search for Biblical answers, and not abandon God's word because it doesn't fit in conveniently with the lifestyle we wish to lead. If you love me, you will obey what I command. John 14:15 Listen, my head's killing me, and it seems either you, or I, or both, are unwilling to accept the other's opinions at this current time, so this is where it ends. I don't think you quite understood what I was saying, though. SpM Posted at 3:09 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from warcrawl at 11:04 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 i dont think killing a baby and having sex are ont he same parralell hun,sorry. Sin is sin. SpM Posted at 3:08 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 If you believe that, okay. I don't believe in God or Christianity, but arguing from a hypothetical standpoint, I feel you are a hypocrite. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person. God's will of you as a person? There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones. If everyone acted in perfect accordance to God's will, we would all act in the same way. And this would be good. Of course we can neither act perfectly or perfectly understand how we should act, but we should sincerely search for Biblical answers, and not abandon God's word because it doesn't fit in conveniently with the lifestyle we wish to lead. If you love me, you will obey what I command. John 14:15 warcrawl Posted at 3:04 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 i dont think killing a baby and having sex are ont he same parralell hun,sorry. Lihiro Posted at 2:59 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from SpM at 2:51 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Lihiro at 10:49 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 No.    The idea of a belief is something you follow to meet your needs, and not be pressured by. If God is an external and almighty force, then our needs, or rather wants, are irrelevant. God's commands are God's commands. If you believe that, okay. But what I was trying to make the point of is that in order to have a belief, you actually have to believe it. Trying to follow the bible word from word, unless you're programmed inately to act that way, is impossible without defying God's will of you as a person. There has to be variations on the faith, or Christianity would just be a set of mindless drones. Watch this Posted at 2:56 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 it's so annoying. my friends are like "Oh yeah sure I believe in God, but in my own way" if they say they are Christians why don't they act like it? I do. I know what's against the morals of my religion, and I try to watch out from doing things that go against them.. Those are called hypocrites, and they annoy me... Narfled the Garthok Posted at 2:53 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Any argument with God is not an intelligent argument, you should know that. Thats like arguing "the sky is green because this imaginary ghost told me so". When in reality the sky is visibly blue. Most recent 15 of 27 previous replies displayed.