Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic the paradox of god Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]blufindr[/m] at 8:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008[quote]There is no nothing. Once you define it, it is now something.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Anonymous Posted at 8:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances. If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness.

Replies Viddian Posted at 3:27 am on Nov. 3, 2008 I don't believe there is such thing as god. Shaknbake Posted at 10:33 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances. If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. Perfect doesn't "represent all-encompassing." Perfection is without flaw. If you see evil as a flaw, then evil is incompatible with perfection. To be everything is not to be perfect. To be everything necessary for perfection is to be perfect. Why bother with the "many, many religions" nonsense if you follow it up with some nonsense about the devil? We all know that at most, you're talking three to four religions (four only if you consider Mormonism to be a separate religious tradition). Besides, within the context of the religions you're talking about, the Devil isn't the opposite of God. The opposite of God would need to be an all-powerful, all-knowing and wholly evil being. The Abrahamic religions do not believe the Devil is that. TheOtherHorseman Posted at 2:16 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from ShadowMasterD at 5:15 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:09 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from ShadowMasterD at 4:49 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 The Christian God is the Jewish Devil.    The Anglican God is the Presbyterian Stay Puft Marshmellow Man.    hey, look. I can play the say stupid things game too. Except that yours makes no sense, and mine does. try again kid. Justify your assertion by explaining the role that a devil has in the Jewish religion, and then go on to explain how the Christian God fills that role in a way that makes any sort of coherent theological sense. Go. ShadowMasterD Posted at 2:15 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 2:09 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from ShadowMasterD at 4:49 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 The Christian God is the Jewish Devil. The Anglican God is the Presbyterian Stay Puft Marshmellow Man. hey, look. I can play the say stupid things game too. Except that yours makes no sense, and mine does. try again kid. TheOtherHorseman Posted at 2:09 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from ShadowMasterD at 4:49 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 The Christian God is the Jewish Devil. The Anglican God is the Presbyterian Stay Puft Marshmellow Man. hey, look. I can play the say stupid things game too. ShadowMasterD Posted at 1:49 pm on Nov. 2, 2008 The Christian God is the Jewish Devil. Event Horizon Posted at 11:00 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.     If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. nope. Evil = complete lack of good Insane = complete lack of sanity immoral = complete lack of morality These features would be negative qualities of God and would make him less perfect and, indeed, contradictory as well. exceedinglyrare Posted at 8:13 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:08 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.    If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. I think your paradox might stem from your self-made definition of perfection. This. TheOtherHorseman Posted at 5:08 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.     If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. I think your paradox might stem from your self-made definition of perfection. mysticgohan Posted at 4:34 am on Nov. 2, 2008 What you consider evil and what "God" considers evil are two different things. King Kong Posted at 3:59 am on Nov. 2, 2008 the devil exsits for balance . yin and yang obvious child Posted at 1:10 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 5:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.     If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. You are trying to dig a hole through solid steel. Applying logic and reason to deities is a futile effort. Gods are inherently illogical and nonsensical. The Nowhere Man Posted at 10:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Wow, because we haven't heard that argument over 9000 times on this forum alone. And my view is that all religions worship some aspect of the same one God, pantheons represent multiple facets (or similar beings to angels). Or perhaps monotheists are the ones that don't have it quite right, and it's actually a pantheon. I guess I'm something of an agnostic theist but I avoid saying that because people don't know what agnostic actually means. Whatever. Anonymous Posted at 8:38 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from The Wolfhound at 11:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Haha, good point. And, anonymous, I did not mean you'd be banned. I'm just saying ppl tend to fight and curse over this, report each other. Ends up with ban. I meant no offence to you and your topic... oh it's alright, this is pretty benign as a matter of fact. i'm not really looking for a fight, just some intellectual conversation i cant get with my gf really... The Wolfhound Posted at 8:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Haha, good point. And, anonymous, I did not mean you'd be banned. I'm just saying ppl tend to fight and curse over this, report each other. Ends up with ban. I meant no offence to you and your topic... Most recent 15 of 36 previous replies displayed.