Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic like or dislike Islam? Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]SovSull[/m] at 1:50 pm on Nov. 9, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]greatescape11[/m] at 4:42 pm on Nov. 9, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]LaMotta[/m] at 12:37 pm on Nov. 7, 2008[quote]Their treatment of women is a bit shite.[/quote] I wish you would educate yourself on the actual history and beliefs of Islam before making claims like that.[/quote] Sura 4:34 [quote]YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).[/quote] I'd say it's a pretty shitty way to treat anybody.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post aynali Posted at 10:35 am on Nov. 7, 2008 as an individual in Turkey I d like to know what  are the things you like and dislike about Islam?...

Replies Shaknbake Posted at 8:59 pm on Nov. 12, 2008 Quote: from youcef at 5:44 pm on Nov. 12, 2008 I like Islam more so than I do Christianity. I'm not going to speak on what I don't know and make claims like "Their treatment of women is a bit shite" because I don't have detailed knowledge of Islam (although I used to be a Muslim), but I'd much rather be Muslim than Christian. So, "I don't have any reason for my beliefs but here they are." Why even bother making the statement if you admit you don't have anything to support your feelings? youcef Posted at 5:44 pm on Nov. 12, 2008 I like Islam more so than I do Christianity. I'm not going to speak on what  I don't know and make claims like "Their treatment of women is a bit shite" because I don't have detailed knowledge of Islam (although I used to be a Muslim), but I'd much rather be Muslim than Christian. Shaknbake Posted at 5:33 pm on Nov. 12, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 8:15 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Islam is an old religion, and even it's not as bad as some of the oldest religions out their when it comes to women. I consider a new religion to be one created during or after the 15th century in case you're wondering. You're perfectly free to set your own standards as to what constitute old v. new religions, but you can't honestly put Islam in the same boat as Judaism. exceedinglyrare Posted at 5:04 am on Nov. 12, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 7:31 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 But it is an official part/companion of The Torah. But not in the Old Testament; ergo, great if you're talking about Orthodox Jews and worthless if you're talking about Christians. mysticgohan Posted at 8:15 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from Shaknbake at 6:16 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 6:10 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Beating your wife is quite common place in old religion, especially ones where the woman is the husbands property. Islam has a good five hundred years on Christianity, and Judaism is god-knows how much older than that. You can't use age as an excuse. Islam is an old religion, and even it's not as bad as some of the oldest religions out their when it comes to women. I consider a new religion to be one created during or after the 15th century in case you're wondering. Shaknbake Posted at 6:16 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 6:10 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Beating your wife is quite common place in old religion, especially ones where the woman is the husbands property. Islam has a good five hundred years on Christianity, and Judaism is god-knows how much older than that. You can't use age as an excuse. mysticgohan Posted at 4:31 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:27 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 7:07 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 No, it's a companion piece for the Old Testament. It comes packaged with many editions of the Torah. Which is why I typed Torah/Old Testament since aside from the companion piece are nearly the exact same thing. Except that you just admitted that it's not in the actual Old Testament. But it is an official part/companion of The Torah. exceedinglyrare Posted at 4:27 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 7:07 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 No, it's a companion piece for the Old Testament. It comes packaged with many editions of the Torah. Which is why I typed Torah/Old Testament since aside from the companion piece are nearly the exact same thing. Except that you just admitted that it's not in the actual Old Testament. mysticgohan Posted at 4:07 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:42 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 4:21 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 11:13 am on Nov. 11, 2008 I believe it's vol 16ish of the Misneh Torah(the one where all the laws pertaining to marriage are broken down) The titles Hicot Ishut or something like that.   I don't have a copy of the Torah broken down in that manner. If you could find it in the Old Testament (here's a link for you: www.biblegateway.com ) I would really appreciate it.    I don't think it would be in the Old testament as the Misneh Torah is one of those things only a follower of Judaism would need. So when you said "It's in the Old Testament," you lied. No, it's a companion piece for the Old Testament. It comes packaged with many editions of the Torah. Which is why I typed Torah/Old Testament since aside from the companion piece are nearly the exact same thing. exceedinglyrare Posted at 1:42 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 4:21 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 11:13 am on Nov. 11, 2008 I believe it's vol 16ish of the Misneh Torah(the one where all the laws pertaining to marriage are broken down) The titles Hicot Ishut or something like that.    I don't have a copy of the Torah broken down in that manner. If you could find it in the Old Testament (here's a link for you: www.biblegateway.com ) I would really appreciate it. I don't think it would be in the Old testament as the Misneh Torah is one of those things only a follower of Judaism would need. So when you said "It's in the Old Testament," you lied. mysticgohan Posted at 1:21 pm on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 11:13 am on Nov. 11, 2008 I believe it's vol 16ish of the Misneh Torah(the one where all the laws pertaining to marriage are broken down) The titles Hicot Ishut or something like that. I don't have a copy of the Torah broken down in that manner. If you could find it in the Old Testament (here's a link for you: www.biblegateway.com ) I would really appreciate it. I don't think it would be in the Old testament as the Misneh Torah is one of those things only a follower of Judaism would need. exceedinglyrare Posted at 9:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 11:13 am on Nov. 11, 2008 I believe it's vol 16ish of the Misneh Torah(the one where all the laws pertaining to marriage are broken down) The titles Hicot Ishut or something like that. I don't have a copy of the Torah broken down in that manner. If you could find it in the Old Testament (here's a link for you: www.biblegateway.com ) I would really appreciate it. mysticgohan Posted at 8:13 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 7:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 9:10 am on Nov. 11, 2008 The Torah/Old Testament permits it it, as do other old religions. Beating your wife is quite common place in old religion, especially ones where the woman is the husbands property. Citation, please? Chapter and verse, if you would. I believe it's vol 16ish of the Misneh Torah(the one where all the laws pertaining to marriage are broken down) The titles Hicot Ishut or something like that. draakprinses Posted at 8:08 am on Nov. 11, 2008 *shrug* It is a religion, like any other. I neither like nor dislike it. exceedinglyrare Posted at 7:37 am on Nov. 11, 2008 Quote: from mysticgohan at 9:10 am on Nov. 11, 2008 The Torah/Old Testament permits it it, as do other old religions. Beating your wife is quite common place in old religion, especially ones where the woman is the husbands property. Citation, please? Chapter and verse, if you would. Most recent 15 of 47 previous replies displayed.