Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Logic and truth Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]osmoticdespair[/m] at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008[quote]Quote: from [m]bigdutchman[/m] at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008[quote]Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. [/quote]Alone? Surely not.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post osmoticdespair Posted at 9:55 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Logic is... for the obtaining of truth.

Replies obvious child Posted at 10:17 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Logic is but one path to the truth. It is not necessary, nor alone sufficent. bigdutchman Posted at 10:13 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:11 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 So your statement that logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it is incorrect. No. The statement "logic can obtain scientific truth" is incorrect. The "as we perceive it" part, is assuming that what we observe is correct. If what we observe is correct, then yes, logic could be used to find truth. However, I was not implying that what we perceive is correct. osmoticdespair Posted at 10:11 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 So your statement that logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it is incorrect. bigdutchman Posted at 10:09 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:07 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:06 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it.       Alone? Surely not.    The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling on it.    Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. I am talking about logic though. Observation is not an application of logic. Yes but without observation we cannot apply logic. If we have no facts, we can't "connect the dots." We need dots to connect. And if those facts are not necessarily reliable, we don't even get to the logic step. Logic becomes irrelevant in seeking the truth, because we must first prove what we already assume. osmoticdespair Posted at 10:07 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:06 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it.     Alone? Surely not. The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling on it. Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. I am talking about logic though. Observation is not an application of logic. bigdutchman Posted at 10:06 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it.     Alone? Surely not. The basis of science is observation and application. We let go of an apple, it drops to the ground. We assume something is pulling (or pushing, or something, doesn't really have any relevance to my point) on it. Then again, we are only assuming we are seeing an apple falling. We assume things exist the way we see them We assume there is such a thing as reality, when in fact, there is absolutely no way to prove that what we see, feel, taste, hear, and smell is actually there, and that we are actually perceiving those things. We only assume. Hi Carie Posted at 10:04 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 C. neither necessary nor sufficient. Logic can be linked with truth, but they are mutually exclusive terms. osmoticdespair Posted at 10:01 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Quote: from bigdutchman at 6:00 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. Alone? Surely not. bigdutchman Posted at 10:00 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Logic can obtain the scientific truth as we perceive it. Logic dictates that what we understand of logic is highly unlikely to be actual due to the limitations and inverifiability of our own perceptions. Logic also barely scrapes the surface of human understanding. We can learn much more about ourselves and our immediate surrounds through the spiritual/emotional than through the logical. The Oath Posted at 9:59 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 roflllll Fortis Obscurum Posted at 9:56 pm on Nov. 16, 2008 Shallow and pedantic. All 11 previous replies displayed.