Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:00 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so?Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason??? Those are but a few examples. From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is. Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo. Now let's consider your reply. In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message. In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list. Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth.
Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so?Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason???
Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so?Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.
Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so?Where did you get that idea?
Why do theist hate science so?
As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.
Those are but a few examples. From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is.
Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo.
Now let's consider your reply. In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message. In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list. Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth.
No, you didn't say ALL theists but then you didn't qualify it at all. You didn't say most or some or a few, you simply said 'theists'... which would imply you believe it's inclusive of pretty much all theists.
And I believe you used those examples because you think those are the easy ones to "prove". But so far your 'message' has all been opinion. Yours.
I don't have any problem at all with science. I have a problem with foolish people who attempt to use science against God/theism/religion. That's not what science is about. And I'm not a very religious person myself.
Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so?Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But there most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.
As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But there most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US.
Quote: from Shogun villimax at 4:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope. Here here! Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact! Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong! Yours created god to judge our actions as wrong. Prohibitions and privations in society were created in order for us to coexist, not propitiate delusional myths.
Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope. Here here! Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact! Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong!
Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope.
Yours created god to judge our actions as wrong. Prohibitions and privations in society were created in order for us to coexist, not propitiate delusional myths.
Isn't science just another form of superstition, which is easier to convince the modern mindset of?
Jump off a cliff and tell me gravity is superstition.
I'm a future sociology major, just go with it, okay?
Because someone who doesn't even have their sociology major said so? Sorry, I look for more prudent sources than you.
The need to explain natural happenings (most often through spiritual means) is a cultural human universal, much like the tendency to wear clothes and follow fashions, have marriage and coming of age rituals, and appreciate music and the arts.
And conduct slavery. Wait: civilizations evolve. There's already motion in effect to have non-religion dominate the world, as it should (if we want a world based in scientific discoveries and calm, rational discussions instead of religious nonsense). In every developed world atheism and agnosticism are set to become pluralities and majorities.
Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science.
That's stupid. Have fun believing in the flying spaghetti monster.
Never hurts to hope though.
In other words, it's part of what makes us human and unless we change our very base instincts, we'll always have religion.
I hear you..and that is a candid response. Science, God, or acid trips may never explain everything to us; but how mundane if life possessed no mystery. I posit both God and science are linguistic synonyms...just different denominations of varied 'faith.' I choose science because it constantly allows for corrective dogma.
Quote: from Colleen35 at 3:25 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Perhaps hypothetical theory is. If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity. As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no? Science is observable and measurable.
Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Perhaps hypothetical theory is. If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity. As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no?
Perhaps hypothetical theory is. If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity.
As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no?
Science is observable and measurable.
I don't think that is a fair comparison. When we drive a car, fly in an airplane or take medicine for a diagnosed condition, we, for the most part. can predict the outcome. Can the same be said about prayer?
While it is arguable that prayer offers psychological comfort and other benefits, the result is capricious. Theist thank god when the 'prayer is answered.' People offer that is is 'god's will' when the request goes unanswered. The truth is, some things we hope for will work out and others will not. Our scientific accomplishments offer predictable results. As your signature quote says: "Science is observable and measurable."
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