Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Man Beaten After Teens Misinterpret Woman's Sex Screams Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]DuBBy[/m] at 4:00 am on July 4, 2009[quote]Bahaha Oh silly teens these day... WIN![/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Moridin Posted at 3:59 am on July 4, 2009 http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2009/07/02/10004621-ap.html TORRINGTON, Connecticut - A group of teenagers misunderstood a woman's screams during sex and, thinking they were stopping an assault, beat a 25-year-old man in her bedroom, police said. A 16-year-old girl who lives in the same home as the 34-year-old woman overheard her and the man on June 6 and rounded up four friends to stop what they thought was an attack, police Lt. Bruce Whiteley said Thursday. One of the five teens beat the man with a bat and others punched him, police said. The man was treated at a hospital for injuries that were not life-threatening, and was released that night. "Apparently he didn't have time to explain himself," Whiteley said. Maybe if their religious culture had allowed some minor sex education, this would not have happened. I mean, seriously, how can you get pleasure sounds confused with sounds of despair? Do you think it is right that we deny basic knowledge to young people about sex because of the fear that they might go against the values of their religious culture? Doesn't knowledge enable you to make smarter decisions? Or is knowledge a threat to the dogmatic religious values of the American culture?

Replies Aristocrat Posted at 6:46 pm on July 10, 2009 Quote: from Prince o palities at 1:13 pm on July 8, 2009 This is probably off topic now, but... I got my sex education in Texas,.... Me too....what a small world. Forever Angel Posted at 5:55 pm on July 8, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 3:56 pm on July 6, 2009 I would hardly confuse the average sex noises with noises of someone being violently assaulted. What do you consider "average sex noises"? I really didn't know there was such a thing. Prince o palities Posted at 1:13 pm on July 8, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 7:26 am on July 4, 2009 Pretty much all of the United States has abstinence only indoctrin.... I mean "education". This is probably off topic now, but... I got my sex education in Texas, and I have never had any problem using a condom.  My wife got her sex education in South Carolina, and she has never had any problem using birth control.  This characterization of all of America or even of extremely conservative regions of America has no basis in reality. You're grasping at straws here, Moridin.  There is nothing to suggest poor sex-education based on religious dogma led these kids to beat that man. TigressaLynnMae Posted at 12:53 pm on July 8, 2009 . My sex education class did contain discussions on various sounds that you can make during sex and I would hardly confuse the average sex noises with noises of someone being violently assaulted Where the hell did you go to high school? Wtf, mate? da bears Posted at 3:36 am on July 8, 2009 Quote: from Moridin at 1:56 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 11:51 pm on July 6, 2009 Again, putting words into my mouth. Where does anything that I have said even suggest that point of view? (hint: it doesn't)   You have explicitly stated that you don't think that proper sex education could prevent these sorts of mishaps when it clearly can. My sex education class did contain discussions on various sounds that you can make during sex and I would hardly confuse the average sex noises with noises of someone being violently assaulted. I want to go to your high school. EDIT: NVMND you've exaggerated. Moridin Posted at 3:20 pm on July 7, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:15 am on July 8, 2009 Of course I do.   The best I can give you is this article, as I highly doubt that there's been a study done just yet to say "statistically, modern teenagers are entitled douchebags." I highly doubt, however, that it is strictly my experience, largely because I've yet to hear someone contradict it. Shit, it's pretty much taken for granted in any article written about Milennials (or Generation Y, if you will) that's out there. Just because you have no heard anyone contradict your particular form of anecdotal evidence is not at all the same as proving it true. For all I know, you can simply have a form of confirmation bias against evidence that would refute your anecdotal stories. I was very fascinating by the article you linked as I remember that I had read it before. However, it simply argues that too much praise can have negative consequences on performance, not that knowledge on how not to make mistakes is less of a factor in preventing mistakes. Good try though. exceedinglyrare Posted at 3:15 pm on July 7, 2009 Of course I do. The best I can give you is this article, as I highly doubt that there's been a study done just yet to say "statistically, modern teenagers are entitled douchebags." I highly doubt, however, that it is strictly my experience, largely because I've yet to hear someone contradict it. Shit, it's pretty much taken for granted in any article written about Milennials (or Generation Y, if you will) that's out there. Moridin Posted at 3:09 pm on July 7, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 4:28 am on July 7, 2009 I never said that I didn't. What kind of statistics do you want? Something that demonstrates that all parents call schools to get their children's grades changed? Trust me, it's everywhere, and I'd wager that the only people who don't see it are the ones who are willfully blind. I'd settle for anything that isn't anecdotal evidence. I assume you do know the difference between anecdotal evidence and statistical/scientific evidence? exceedinglyrare Posted at 6:28 pm on July 6, 2009 I never said that I didn't. What kind of statistics do you want? Something that demonstrates that all parents call schools to get their children's grades changed? Trust me, it's everywhere, and I'd wager that the only people who don't see it are the ones who are willfully blind. Moridin Posted at 3:18 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 1:04 am on July 7, 2009 I thought I had; I agree that a lack of sex education would increase the likeliness of unwanted pregnancies and STD transmission, but my point is that I don't think it's the only factor at work here.   Schools tell kids that if they don't do homework or try to learn, they will fail tests, but their parents then undermine this by calling the school when their precious little gumdrops bring home a failing grade and demanding it be changed. This sort of behavior creates kids who think that they can do whatever they want to do without having to worry about consequences, and it's not really surprsing that this sort of atmosphere would undermine even the best sex education. So you agree that sex education is an important factor, maybe similar to a proper driving education reducing traffic deaths? Then maybe you can cite instances of this alleged form of over protection? Or is it just anecdotal evidence compared to my statistical evidence? exceedinglyrare Posted at 3:04 pm on July 6, 2009 I thought I had; I agree that a lack of sex education would increase the likeliness of unwanted pregnancies and STD transmission, but my point is that I don't think it's the only factor at work here. Schools tell kids that if they don't do homework or try to learn, they will fail tests, but their parents then undermine this by calling the school when their precious little gumdrops bring home a failing grade and demanding it be changed. This sort of behavior creates kids who think that they can do whatever they want to do without having to worry about consequences, and it's not really surprsing that this sort of atmosphere would undermine even the best sex education. Moridin Posted at 2:49 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 12:46 am on July 7, 2009 I think you are, as my argument has nothing to do with religious values and everything to do with entitlement complexes. Could you maybe try to answer my questions? exceedinglyrare Posted at 2:46 pm on July 6, 2009 I think you are, as my argument has nothing to do with religious values and everything to do with entitlement complexes. Moridin Posted at 2:44 pm on July 6, 2009 Now we are finally getting somewhere in this discussion. Massachusetts, where I live, is one of the most liberal states in the country and I know for a fact that our sex ed programs have very high standards set for them, yet there are still plenty of teens getting knocked up and enjoying the lovely blessings of STDs. Why is that? The sex ed programs are excellent, so what's the problem here? You should be viewing it as relative frequency compared to other states with no or poor sex education programs, such as abstinence only programs in order to evaluate the effectiveness of detailed sex education programs. It is not enough to argue that Massachusetts has a proper sex education program, but that there are still teen pregnancies and people with STDs, so proper sex education is less of a factor. You have to compare this with areas with little or no proper sex education to get an accurate picture of the effects of proper sex education. Think of the following analogy. Town A has no neighborhood watch program, Town B has a proper neighborhood watch program. Is it enough to point out that Town B still has crime to argue that neighborhood watch program is less of a factor in reducing crime? No, you have to compare it to the crime rates in Town A, where you have no neighborhood watch program to accurately evaluate the results of said program. Does this seem reasonable to you? Do you think it is fair to say that states with no or poor sex education programs is casually connected to an increase high-risk sexual behavior and teen pregnancies? This creates teenagers and adults who expect to be able to get away with murder, practically, and not have to deal with the consequences of those actions. It's not surprising that such an environment would produce teenagers who think that "it won't happen to me." This is slightly similar to the "society is falling apart because we have stopped teaching religious values". It has been used in Plato's time as well. But doesn't proper sex education or any type of education for that matter, empower a lot of people with this knowledge so that they won't have to make those mistakes? Isn't it better to not make mistakes and know why you should not than to actually make mistakes? Maybe I am just misunderstanding your argument here. exceedinglyrare Posted at 2:23 pm on July 6, 2009 I'm not denying it, but I'm also not denying that sex education isn't the only factor. Massachusetts, where I live, is one of the most liberal states in the country and I know for a fact that our sex ed programs have very high standards set for them, yet there are still plenty of teens getting knocked up and enjoying the lovely blessings of STDs. Why is that? The sex ed programs are excellent, so what's the problem here? Or maybe you think that parents wanting increased and better sex education are retarded? How have parents become increasingly retarded? This is highly irrelevent to the topic, but it's been my experience (both as a teacher and as a friend to parents) that parents today are so afraid of their children discovering what it's like to suffer consequences for their actions (e.g. failing a class  because they didn't want to do their homework or learn the material, losing a competition because they didn't compete as well as someone else did, etc.) that they spend their entire time as parents trying to prevent their children from experiencing the consequences of their actions. This creates teenagers and adults who expect to be able to get away with murder, practically, and not have to deal with the consequences of those actions. It's not surprising that such an environment would produce teenagers who think that "it won't happen to me." It wasn't that hilarious, we just watched a movie in biology class where they did some moaning, then went on to read about HIV. "Watched a movie where they did some moaning" =/= "learned about all the sounds a person can possibly make during sex." Most recent 15 of 50 previous replies displayed.