Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic The Quran Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]lsd[/m] at 6:17 pm on Aug. 23, 2010[quote]http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-easoaan-support-a.html Are you saying that Westerners do this or Muslims do this ? [/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post Wilder Posted at 4:10 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 I'm extraordinarily tired of people citing the Quran and telling me that this is what Muslims believe/ must believe/ ect. Maybe if we lived in a literalist theocracy that had holy texts in lieu of constitutions I might be vaguely sympathetic to someone making this mistake, but how can anyone in the West (a term I use in the arbitrary ideological sense moreso than the arbitrary geographic) honestly float this piece of shit argument my way and not be immediately overwhelmed by its stench? It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares. /rant

Replies Wilder Posted at 6:54 pm on Aug. 23, 2010 Quote: from lsd at 7:17 pm on Aug. 23, 2010 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-easoaan-support-a.html   Are you saying that Westerners do this or Muslims do this ?   I wasn't really specifying. Specific Westerners were in mind, but obviously the fallacy of essentialist thinking is not solely our domain. Wilder Posted at 6:48 pm on Aug. 23, 2010 Quote: from Moridin at 5:35 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from Wilder at 2:10 am on Aug. 22, 2010 I'm extraordinarily tired of people citing the Quran and telling me that this is what Muslims believe/ must believe/ ect. Maybe if we lived in a literalist theocracy that had holy texts in lieu of constitutions I might be vaguely sympathetic to someone making this mistake, but how can anyone in the West (a term I use in the arbitrary ideological sense moreso than the arbitrary geographic) honestly float this piece of shit argument my way and not be immediately overwhelmed by its stench? It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares.    /rant The problem, of course, is that many do care, especially if you read the polls. To be sure, not everyone does, but many do. http://pewglobal.org/2005/07/14/islamic-extremism-common-concern-for-muslim-and-western-publics/ http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2244293620070522 It is a fallacy to go from "not everyone believes" to "it is not a problem". Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:32 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from SpM at 4:54 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:45 am on Aug. 22, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848    in what sense is this relevant? "It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares." My last line might have been excessively flippant, but to clarify my point is not that Islam or the Quran are not taken very seriously in many circumstances. My point is not to pass a normative judgement onto whether or not Islam is "a problem" in the world at all. Rather, it is to note that it is absolutely absurd to point to a passage in a holy text and use this as the basis for asserting that members of the religion [whatever is in said text]. While in theory it might be tempting to say "this is Islam's holy book, this is what it says, thus this is what Islam is and what Muslims do/believe/think", in practice it's no more absurd than expecting Joe Lieberman to stone his family to death should they suggest attending a Unitarian service. lsd Posted at 6:17 pm on Aug. 23, 2010 http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-easoaan-support-a.html Are you saying that Westerners do this or Muslims do this ? Moridin Posted at 4:35 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from Wilder at 2:10 am on Aug. 22, 2010 I'm extraordinarily tired of people citing the Quran and telling me that this is what Muslims believe/ must believe/ ect. Maybe if we lived in a literalist theocracy that had holy texts in lieu of constitutions I might be vaguely sympathetic to someone making this mistake, but how can anyone in the West (a term I use in the arbitrary ideological sense moreso than the arbitrary geographic) honestly float this piece of shit argument my way and not be immediately overwhelmed by its stench? It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares. /rant The problem, of course, is that many do care, especially if you read the polls. To be sure, not everyone does, but many do. http://pewglobal.org/2005/07/14/islamic-extremism-common-concern-for-muslim-and-western-publics/ http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2244293620070522 It is a fallacy to go from "not everyone believes" to "it is not a problem". Forever Angel Posted at 3:32 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from SpM at 4:54 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:45 am on Aug. 22, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848 in what sense is this relevant? "It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares." SpM Posted at 2:54 am on Aug. 22, 2010 Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:45 am on Aug. 22, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848 in what sense is this relevant? Forever Angel Posted at 2:45 am on Aug. 22, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11045848 Happilydemented Posted at 4:45 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 I am also tired of Muslims (NOT all, I know) using the Quran as an excuse to force women in oppressive clothing, stone them to death and use any sort of radical  crual and inumane behavior all in the name of "religion" especially when the Quran doesn't even specifically state these things. Then again, I'm just someone from the west arnt I? 010 Posted at 4:13 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations FallingAwayFromMe Posted at 4:12 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 "It doesn't matter what a holy text from fucking forever ago says when no one who matters cares." I really enjoyed that line. reBreaded Posted at 4:11 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations Rabgix Posted at 4:11 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations 010 Posted at 4:11 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 People use whatever they can to back up thier Arrghument. Luxe Posted at 4:10 pm on Aug. 21, 2010 Post from this position was omitted due to content violations All 14 previous replies displayed.