The ultimate Question. Why do bad things happen to innocent people?
"Pol;itical territorial Conflicts" are not related here.
6 million Jews? Show me your sources for such a claim.
Because the Holocaust didn't happen, and the Jews weren't innocent people.
From the Lukaszkiewicz report that allegedly found proof of mass murder at Treblinka, November 13, 1945:: "From witness reports and the results of our excavations at the camp site it can with great probability be ascertained, that no mass graves exist in the area of the camp Treblinka"
Mattogno and Graf's book discuss the Polish excavation here: http://vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.html
In her previously cited report, Rachel Auerbach spoke pompously of "physical evidence" and "corpora delicti." But actually neither the Soviets nor the Poles uncovered even the slightest scrap of proof that Treblinka II operated as an extermination camp. The Soviets, in their report of August 24, 1944 - cited in section 1 of this chapter - saw themselves compelled to make the following admission: "At the present it is difficult to uncover the traces and secrets of this oven for the cremation of people, but based upon the available data, one can picture it." Even the investigations performed by Łukaszkiewicz proved to be a complete failure in terms of this central question. He arranged excavation at a quite definite spot in the camp where, according to the witness S. Rajzman, a mass grave was located, but discovered nothing of the kind. He had trenches dug, 10-15 m long and 1.5 m deep, at the places where, according to witnesses, the two alleged buildings for gassing had stood, yet merely encountered "undisturbed layers of earth." To be sure, he did find skulls, but without wounds from shooting. All the evidence examined by him (coins, documents, rags, containers, remnants of various objects) show merely that there was a camp at that place, and the human remains as well as the ashes prove only that bodies were buried or cremated in the camp. Nothing produced even the trace of evidence for a mass murder, to say nothing of such a crime committed against several hundred thousand people. Among the objects discovered, the skulls as well as the human body parts found in a state of decomposition deserve particular attention. From whom did they come? If we hold to the official historiography, this question remains unanswered. According to this, the cremation of the bodies exhumed from the mass graves was finished by August 2, 1943, the day of the prisoner revolt. During this revolt, at least 300 to 400 prisoners are supposed to have been killed within the camp or in the vicinity of the wire fence,[217] and in the following three weeks, allegedly more than 30,000 Jews from the ghetto of Białystok were gassed, whose bodies neither the Soviets nor the Poles discovered. If there were such killings, these victims therefore must have been cremated. The same is true for the bodies of those killed in the revolt. The surviving prisoners were not, say, killed on the spot, rather they were transferred to Sobibór on December 20, 1943, as can be gathered from a corresponding Wehrmacht bill of lading.[218] If decomposing body parts were found in November 1945, this discovery is also inconsistent with the thesis that the victims involved were murdered more than two years before. Finally, it is strikingly problematic that no single complete body was discovered. From whom, therefore, did the skulls and body parts come? Were they perhaps taken from the mass graves of Treblinka I? Could these have been the remains of victims of the typhus epidemic, which had raged in the camp at the end of 1943? This hypothesis seems all the more plausible as none of the skulls exhibited gunshot wounds. It could also furnish an explanation for the odd circumstance that Treblinka II was bombed: the bombs destroyed not only the two buildings, which in all probability were left intact by the Germans,[219] but also scattered the rotted body parts over a wide area and thus increased the horrible effect of the 'extermination camp'. In fact, the discovered body parts were thoroughly exploited in propaganda.
"At the present it is difficult to uncover the traces and secrets of this oven for the cremation of people, but based upon the available data, one can picture it."
Even the investigations performed by Łukaszkiewicz proved to be a complete failure in terms of this central question. He arranged excavation at a quite definite spot in the camp where, according to the witness S. Rajzman, a mass grave was located, but discovered nothing of the kind. He had trenches dug, 10-15 m long and 1.5 m deep, at the places where, according to witnesses, the two alleged buildings for gassing had stood, yet merely encountered "undisturbed layers of earth." To be sure, he did find skulls, but without wounds from shooting. All the evidence examined by him (coins, documents, rags, containers, remnants of various objects) show merely that there was a camp at that place, and the human remains as well as the ashes prove only that bodies were buried or cremated in the camp. Nothing produced even the trace of evidence for a mass murder, to say nothing of such a crime committed against several hundred thousand people.
Among the objects discovered, the skulls as well as the human body parts found in a state of decomposition deserve particular attention. From whom did they come? If we hold to the official historiography, this question remains unanswered. According to this, the cremation of the bodies exhumed from the mass graves was finished by August 2, 1943, the day of the prisoner revolt. During this revolt, at least 300 to 400 prisoners are supposed to have been killed within the camp or in the vicinity of the wire fence,[217] and in the following three weeks, allegedly more than 30,000 Jews from the ghetto of Białystok were gassed, whose bodies neither the Soviets nor the Poles discovered. If there were such killings, these victims therefore must have been cremated. The same is true for the bodies of those killed in the revolt. The surviving prisoners were not, say, killed on the spot, rather they were transferred to Sobibór on December 20, 1943, as can be gathered from a corresponding Wehrmacht bill of lading.[218] If decomposing body parts were found in November 1945, this discovery is also inconsistent with the thesis that the victims involved were murdered more than two years before. Finally, it is strikingly problematic that no single complete body was discovered.
From whom, therefore, did the skulls and body parts come? Were they perhaps taken from the mass graves of Treblinka I? Could these have been the remains of victims of the typhus epidemic, which had raged in the camp at the end of 1943? This hypothesis seems all the more plausible as none of the skulls exhibited gunshot wounds. It could also furnish an explanation for the odd circumstance that Treblinka II was bombed: the bombs destroyed not only the two buildings, which in all probability were left intact by the Germans,[219] but also scattered the rotted body parts over a wide area and thus increased the horrible effect of the 'extermination camp'. In fact, the discovered body parts were thoroughly exploited in propaganda.
When one claims that 900,000 people's remains exist and only give evidence for a small amount consistent with the Transit Camp thesis, not one single "Mass grave" as alleged, no published report (despite Colls allegedly finding proof of mass graves), then I consider their allegations unfounded. And rightly so. From the same report your link quoted, from the Poles:
"During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there, who fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński)."
Also:
"Due to the destruction of the graves, it is not possible to count the bodies which have been there. The medical expert Mieczysław Piotrowski affirms, however, that one grave of 2 × 1 × 1 m (without taking into consideration the upper level of earth which covers the bodies) contains at least 6 nude bodies. Considering the size of all 41 graves, and under the assumption that the levels of corpses reach only up to 1.5 m in depth (the depth of the graves is up to 3 m), one can calculate that at least 6,500 people were buried there."
Hmmmm, 6,500 people is nowhere near 900,000. Oops....
And the graves aren't allegedly randomly scattered around, but according to Yankel Wiernik, they are in precisely known locations and are not odd shapes or scattered around:
When graves are just scattered around randomly it suggests there was no systematic extermination, just people dying off gradually probably from disease.
So essentially there is no verifiable evidence that there were massive quantities of human ash found? There is testimony that there were "Bone fragments" but simply bone fragments do not constitute a mass grave.
But the abnormal amounts of human ash in the ground would indicate that bodies were burned. Youre ignoring parts of that website.
Either way...this is a pointless debate. I obviously am not conducting research into this personally, so am unable to provide soil sample with human ash in it for you. However, there are other compelling reasons to believe that Jews were persecuted given the state of Jews scattered around Europe postwar and the subsequent repatriation of Jews to Israel, for lack of a better plan...but thats probably a debate for another time.
I havent gone through all the sections, but this seems to go into detail about the quantities of human ash. Not sure if that is the correct section though.
Allegedly 900,000 people's remains are buried in precisely known locations at Treblinka. It should very very easy to find these alleged remains, but two excavations found nothing, one GPR scan found nothing, and one person claims they found some but refuses to give any verifiable data or any actual evidence that she truly did.
Also, the discovery of large amounts of human ash is consistent through all Holocaust literature that I have read. Also, a personal testimony affirming such was given by the PhD student in the BBC article I posted.
Human ash is consistent with all holocaust literature that you've read? So you've never actually read any revisionist literature?
Explain the masses of human ash found at the sites of the camps, combined with bones and teet Is evidence of human remains not indicative of extermination? Please post your evidence that there were masses of human ash found at the camps, combined with bones and teeth.
Explain the masses of human ash found at the sites of the camps, combined with bones and teet Is evidence of human remains not indicative of extermination?
I havent gone through all the sections, but this seems to go into detail about the quantities of human ash. Not sure if that is the correct section though. Also, the discovery of large amounts of human ash is consistent through all Holocaust literature that I have read. Also, a personal testimony affirming such was given by the PhD student in the BBC article I posted.
If there are any "Inconsistencies" I'll be glad to explain them to you. I have nothing to hide, the truth agrees with me completely. The Holocaust is an obvious lie and you cannot provide evidence of 1% of 1 "Huge mass grave" in any of the alleged death camps. It's that simple.
Explain the masses of human ash found at the sites of the camps, combined with bones and teeth. Is evidence of human remains not indicative of extermination?
There is no published data, because the excavation has just begun. However, it is from a respected source, and the BBC tend not to publish things unless there is some truth behind them. Its one of the best news stations out there.
The whole point of the article, had you been paying attention, is that the team was using new technology in this excavation. Hence, the reason why previous excavations found nothing is because they had inferior methods of searching for mass graves.
Ultimately it doesnt matter what you believe. However, there are several serious inconsistencies in your account of the Holocaust. Aside from you ignoring evidence, such as photos and accounts of soldiers and prisoners alike. The main problem I have with your account, and that of most Holocaust denialists, is the account of the justification for the lie. Because it just doesnt add up and is often anachronistic. Ellos earlier post is indicative of this.
What photos and accounts? BE SPECIFIC. Please post one single photo or account I have ignored.
Evidence? What evidence? Unverifiable claims by a person funded by Jews with the aim to disprove deniers? How do you expect anything impartial?
This is not the first time this proof of a mass grave has failed to progress pass a claim in an article. I'm talking about Sobibor, it's been 11 years and the holocausters did not publish their findings at all. I don't understand why, seeing as an open-minded scientist would publish his results and base his conclusions on those; he wouldn't hide the truth.
Do you think in a murder trial the BBC article would be sufficient proof?
Honestly, the believers are just getting more and more pathetic. How they think this article refutes "Deniers" is beyond comprehension. Claiming there are allegedly "Findings" while producing nothing meaningful as tangible evidence simply BEGS for more criticism. The only people who would believe such nonsense is the ones who need to believe it. They're so desperate to prove the Holocaust "Deniers" wrong, they're getting sloppy with it. Claiming something is there, but not giving any reason to believe it, and claiming that they cannot excavate it or look at it plays DIRECTLY into the evil "Deniers" hands.
What is wrong with our account for the justification of the lie? Do Jews not benefit monetarily from Holocaust reparations and stuff like "Schindler's List" or "Night"? Do the Americans not downplay their internment of Japanese and pretend like they fought a war against hate and evil? Do the Soviets not use it to downplay their genocides? They even tried to blame Katyn on the Germans after WWII, so yeah, they did do exactly that.
Still waiting for an explanation on the lack of iron-cyanide residue on gas chamber walls, which would be there if mass gassings happened.
Where is the published report detailing these alleged graves? All we have is someone's word. Keep in mind that 2 other excavations and one other GPR search found no evidence of any bodies at all. A soil disturbance does not equal human remains. A claim of a soil disturbance does not equal mass graves. In any other subject the evidence would be available but Colls has not given out any sort of data whatsoever. Why is it reasonable to conclude that one single mass grave existed despite no proof whatsoever? Why can we trust someone's conclusion on the subject only if they believe the holocaust story despite no verifiable evidence whatsoever?
A soil disturbance does not equal human remains. A claim of a soil disturbance does not equal mass graves. In any other subject the evidence would be available but Colls has not given out any sort of data whatsoever.
Why is it reasonable to conclude that one single mass grave existed despite no proof whatsoever? Why can we trust someone's conclusion on the subject only if they believe the holocaust story despite no verifiable evidence whatsoever?
There is no published data, because the excavation has just begun. However, it is from a respected source, and the BBC tend not to publish things unless there is some truth behind them. Its one of the best news stations out there. The whole point of the article, had you been paying attention, is that the team was using new technology in this excavation. Hence, the reason why previous excavations found nothing is because they had inferior methods of searching for mass graves.
Still selectively ignoring evidence I see... What did they find? Six pits, the dimensions of one being 16mx17mx4m. With the other five pits being at least that deep. Lending credence to the notion of mass graves. The didnt excavate bodies, but still found large quantities of human ash, teeth and bones. And this excavation had only just begun. I'm no expert, but I would conclude that given the high density of human remains at such a shallow level, combined with the irregular sized puts that were dug in the ground at similar depths, it is reasonable to conclude that some sort of mass graves existed, however, it is possible that they were exhumed and bodies burned, given the amount of ash. This is exactly what i'm talking about. You cherry-pick facts from respectable sources and then cast aspersions on good sources, because they work with Jews or are respectful of Jewish custom.
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