Ephesians 5:25 reads, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her."
So I have to die for her? What!?A husband is bound to die for his wife, but is the wife bound to die for his husband? The church never died for Jesus.
"According to the New Testament, being head of your wife does not mean being her master, but her servant. Again, Christ is our model for this type of leadership. Jesus did not just talk about serving; He demonstrated it when he washed His disciples' feet (John 13:1-17). "
What!!!!? I thought Christian husbands were suppose to be dominate!!!!!. Are you all nuts. I have to be a servent to her? But shes a woman and I am a man.
"B. Husband is responsible for success or failure of home 1. Has heavier responsibility than his wife, submission is easy compared to husband's role"
So if my family or wife screws up, its my fault?I guess if she cheats on me, its my fault I couldnt fulfill her. What?
"C. Provides for physical needs, financial security Gen 3:19 1Tim 5:8 Woman not given this role"
I believe in something called equality okay. Women and men share the work. Stop blaming everything on the man and forcing him to do everything.
"Failure to honor the wife hinders the prayers of the husband. God will not answer the prayers of any husband who dishonors his wife, no matter who he is or how much he professes Christ. What God hears is the sigh of the wife, not the prayers of a mean and domineering husband. The husband can cry out to God all he wants, but God’s back is turned away from him and toward the sigh of the wife. Notice that God places full accountability for original sin on Adam's shoulders, NOT Eve's."
I have nothing to say to this!!!!!! This is all propaganda. Why should man act this way. We are not servents of women!!!!!! Are not woman made from man? Did not many blame God for favoring man over woman? Then what is this I see? Man are not leaders but servents to their wife. Man should not be domineering, but to honor and praise her. Man are suppose to carry the burdens of the family. Why should I do this? Is not one person responsible for him or herself? Does not one person have the right to be selfish? Why must I die for her? Propaganda!!!!!
ALl I have to say is that I am born to be a player, to be loved and admired by women!!! I am no Christian husband, one who serves woman and blames all on himself.!!!!
(Edited by xxsupermanxx2000 at 3:37 am on Mar. 27, 2006)
But are we arguing? I thought we just dicussing. Arguing is such a nasty word. An argument can end in conflict you know... Conflict breaks up relationships and the community. That is why there is law to prevent arguements.
Hence argument is bad. Therefore I do not argue.
Last time I checked, quoting System of a Down doesn't constitue an argument. I could be wrong, though. who said I was arguing? I am a friendly guy, I never argue.
Last time I checked, quoting System of a Down doesn't constitue an argument. I could be wrong, though.
I could be wrong, though.
who said I was arguing? I am a friendly guy, I never argue.
So, you study philosophy but you don't know what the real definition of "argument" is? Cute.
Last time I checked, quoting System of a Down doesn't constitue an argument.
Quote: from xxsupermanxx2000 at 10:59 pm on Mar. 29, 2006 I find it somewhat difficult to believe that power and authority being identified as such is contingent on the ends to which they are applied... you know, beyond whatever warped little view of the world you have. So my view is wraped? Well, let me tell you something missy, I dont take no for an answer Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square Was fashion the reason why they were there? They disguise it, hypnotize it Television made you buy it I'm just sitting in my car And waiting for my You're scared that I will take you away from there your dreams and your country left with no one there Mezmerize the simple minded Propaganda leaves you blinded You ve been hypnotized my friend.
I find it somewhat difficult to believe that power and authority being identified as such is contingent on the ends to which they are applied... you know, beyond whatever warped little view of the world you have.
So my view is wraped? Well, let me tell you something missy, I dont take no for an answer
Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square Was fashion the reason why they were there? They disguise it, hypnotize it Television made you buy it
I'm just sitting in my car And waiting for my
You're scared that I will take you away from there your dreams and your country left with no one there Mezmerize the simple minded Propaganda leaves you blinded
You ve been hypnotized my friend.
Where is the love? the love the love...
(Edited by xxsupermanxx2000 at 12:30 am on Mar. 30, 2006)
I'll assume that this misbegotten backalley abortion which poetry never told anyone about is your attempt to admit that you fail due to your inability to properly define terms and exercise logic.
You're right I lost. My whole philsophy has now clasped, what ever shall I do?
I guess I ll be the bigger person and say I am sorry that we can agree. But unless you become dictator of the world, I doubt I will have any agreement with what you think.
Why, you ask? because you have no proof...
I just love philosphy, because there is no absolute answer, and I am always right somehow or another.
(Edited by xxsupermanxx2000 at 12:29 am on Mar. 30, 2006)
You're such a douchebag. First your Christian, then question the views. Ever think the bible isn't right? Ererereereerrr. Fucking idiots...
I'm sorry, was that an attempt to address me?
Your position here has several problems. First, you attempt to pass off a joke that undoubtedly applied originally to men as a whole as some sort of anecdotal evidence for your position, despite the great likelihood that it was merely retooled from that original form I mentioned to serve this particular argument. Next, you seem to be hung up on some perceived inferiority of women that colors everything you say. Having any sort of responsibility towards a female seems anathema to you merely because you consider yourself a vastly superior being. You take offense at the notion that in the traditional Christian view of family in which the man is the head of a household there is also the aspect that along with that power, that authority, there is a responsibility towards those over which the power or authority is held. Your inclusion of poorly spelled laughter to bolster your own position by implying that the alternative to your poorly founded and generally shitty belief system is so untenable as to inspire laughter at the thought that someone would try to espouse it merely damages your perceived opinion the objective observer. You also deride the concept of sacrifice in Christian lifestyle, as well as the concept of chastity, without considering the fullness of Christian theology that explains and supports the beliefs and practices of a Christian much as the butresses of a basilica support the inner structure. In short, you're a silly little thing not worth the energy it takes to parse your assertions.
First, you attempt to pass off a joke that undoubtedly applied originally to men as a whole as some sort of anecdotal evidence for your position, despite the great likelihood that it was merely retooled from that original form I mentioned to serve this particular argument.
Next, you seem to be hung up on some perceived inferiority of women that colors everything you say. Having any sort of responsibility towards a female seems anathema to you merely because you consider yourself a vastly superior being.
You take offense at the notion that in the traditional Christian view of family in which the man is the head of a household there is also the aspect that along with that power, that authority, there is a responsibility towards those over which the power or authority is held.
Your inclusion of poorly spelled laughter to bolster your own position by implying that the alternative to your poorly founded and generally shitty belief system is so untenable as to inspire laughter at the thought that someone would try to espouse it merely damages your perceived opinion the objective observer.
You also deride the concept of sacrifice in Christian lifestyle, as well as the concept of chastity, without considering the fullness of Christian theology that explains and supports the beliefs and practices of a Christian much as the butresses of a basilica support the inner structure.
In short, you're a silly little thing not worth the energy it takes to parse your assertions.
pwnd.
What are you talking about. Did you not read. It says right there, that the Christian man is to serve the woman.
Do you mean the joke you posted, which as jokes go is only a tad funny, or the verse you occasionally throw up?
You are either asserting that servitude cannot coexist with power and authority and are thus claiming to have found a contradiction, or you honestly believe that the single quote you have provided is the end-all be-all of Christian scripture and tradition when it comes to family. Either is goofy. The latter is obviously so, the former I will explain shortly.
Every descision he makes is for the best of the family, for his wife, for his children, but never for himself. That isnt authoirty. Thats servititude.
The role of an elected leader, or indeed any leader, is to serve the people over whom he presides using the power and authority he is granted by them.
Power is the ability to do.
Authority is the right to do.
The serving of one's family, or truly anything, is the reason why one does.
Authority and power is telling someone to do something for you and yourself alone.
What are you talking about. Did you not read. It says right there, that the Christian man is to serve the woman. Every descision he makes is for the best of the family, for his wife, for his children, but never for himself. That isnt authoirty. Thats servititude.
I disagree with the Christian ideal of the role of the husband. IF You agree, good for you with Christian ideals, then good for you.!!!
And, you see, the Christian men who are "really that cheesy" are the ones who actually don't get arrested for assault and battery.
Did you see my joke. Christian man allow themselves to be dominated by woman!!!
WOMAN!!!! Hahahahaa. They are dominated by their wives.
Is this what are in the heads of you Christian man?? Serve your wife. Serve your God. Serve your people. Forget yourself. FOolish!!!!!
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