Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic useless..people who dont belive in god Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]the real anti christ[/m] at 9:10 pm on Sep. 20, 2006[quote]Quote: from lizz at 10:58 pm on Sep. 20, 2006[quote]and how dare you come on to a support form and tell pll if they dont belive in god u will never be truely loved by anyone   wow you must have some nerve no i dont have anything against christains but i really find it amusing how you can tell people these things nones useless so id advise you to get overurlsef and dont be so disrespetcful if you dont bag our belifes we wont bag yours[/quote]How dare you expose yourself to humanity with typing skills like that?[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post XXX Kono XXX Posted at 12:02 pm on Sep. 17, 2006 PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD -it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe. -To only be created by random scientific events -to never be truly and totally loved by any one -to never know your set purpose and goal -never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything -to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity -to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven This is your fate if you don't believe in god Not The god ( bible version) but a god.. a supreme being of some kind

Replies Ice Hand Posted at 10:06 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Aimforthehead at 1:18 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 9:11 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Aimforthehead at 1:07 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 8:35 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Before at 12:33 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god??        What the hell? I must have missed that scripture. Where in the NT does it say that?       Mongolians 5456:535984    Ah, the infamous book of the Bible that tells us to kill infidels, sleep with each others wives and conquer any nation that dares to oppose us. How could I have forgotten that?   Yeah you need to wake up man, you're slackin'. All of these atheists are showin' you up. Right, I'll get to it staright away. Where's my gun and machette? Oh, there they are. I'm off to kill my neighbor and sleep with his wife. *Sings* Onward christian soldiers, marching as to war... Aimforthehead Posted at 9:18 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 9:11 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Aimforthehead at 1:07 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 8:35 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Before at 12:33 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god??     What the hell? I must have missed that scripture. Where in the NT does it say that?    Mongolians 5456:535984 Ah, the infamous book of the Bible that tells us to kill infidels, sleep with each others wives and conquer any nation that dares to oppose us. How could I have forgotten that? Yeah you need to wake up man, you're slackin'. All of these atheists are showin' you up. Ice Hand Posted at 9:11 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Aimforthehead at 1:07 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 8:35 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Before at 12:33 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god??    What the hell? I must have missed that scripture. Where in the NT does it say that? Mongolians 5456:535984 Ah, the infamous book of the Bible that tells us to kill infidels, sleep with each others wives and conquer any nation that dares to oppose us. How could I have forgotten that? Aimforthehead Posted at 9:07 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Ice Hand at 8:35 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Before at 12:33 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god?? What the hell? I must have missed that scripture. Where in the NT does it say that? Mongolians 5456:535984 Stormblazer Posted at 9:05 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from XXX Kono XXX at 1:02 pm on Sep. 17, 2006 PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD -it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe. I don't feel useless. I feel in control, because my life is what I want it to be. -To only be created by random scientific events Makes you feel liberated doesn't it? -to never be truly and totally loved by any one That's up to individuals to decide isn't it? I consider my parents to be loving for example. -to never know your set purpose and goal Again, that's for people to decide. Besides, I thought christians believed in free will. I don't believe in set purpose, I'd rather be free to choose my own path. -never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything Bullshit, apparently you've never heard of science. -to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity I have no idea what you're talking about. -to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven By whom? Last I checked people still had the ability to forgive each other. This is your fate if you don't believe in god Not The god ( bible version) but a god.. a supreme being of some kind Correction, by the way you've explained, only the fundamentalist chistian version of god, which has nothing to do with true christianity, let alone any other monothiestic religion. Ice Hand Posted at 8:35 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Before at 12:33 pm on Oct. 4, 2006 If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god?? What the hell? I must have missed that scripture. Where in the NT does it say that? Before Posted at 8:33 pm on Oct. 3, 2006 Quote: from Captpalm at 6:14 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 I will concede that my language wasnt exaclty clear and i may have used religion a little loosly.   What i meant when i said that is there must be standard for any one to judge what is right and wrong. You are basing your morality on something although i dont know what.   I'll be open to hear on what you base your morality. If you care to elaborate. If you think the bible/god teaches what is right, well then why does the Bible tell us to kill our friend if we believe them to worship another god?? I believe I base my own morality on what feels right/good. I certainly don't need a Book to tell me what's good and what's bad, because ultimately we do what we want. Aimforthehead Posted at 8:41 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:38 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006     Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible.        I concur that to decide there must be a god is not rational, but the problem here is that in theory, someone who was thinking for themselves could come to an irrational conclusion. Whether or not their conclusion is reasonable, they'd still be thinking for themselves, which is the point I was trying to get accross. True, people can think for themselves and come to erroneous conclusions.  Happens all the time. It's been my experience, though, that most believers aren't believers because they've thought it through and decided to believe.  They're believers because that's the way they were raised, or because it's easier to just believe than to think rationally about whether believing makes sense.  That's what I was referring to when I said that people who believe are looked down on by people who think. It's possible that you know a better class of believer than I do.  But - at the risk of irony here - I'll believe it when I see it.   Oh yes definitely, I don't really know any Christians who think for themselves, they hear it and believe it with no second thought. Of course there are some though, I heard of some that thought for themselves, then went atheist or something else as I did. Cactaur Posted at 8:40 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 -it feels pretty bad to be utterly useless in the universe.   I don't feel bad. -To only be created by random scientific events   I was created by some very specific physical events. -to never be truly and totally loved by any one  I am truely and totally loved by many people, my family, my friends, my boyfriend -to never know your set purpose and goal I decide my own purpose and goals, unlike this guy -never being able to explain anything at and before the beginning of anything   You can't either by the way, it's a logical contradition, look at your wording. -to have a gaping black hole in the core of you being... always sucking in your feeling of wholeness and purity ...and you would know given that you're a Christian. -to know.. no matter what you do.. you can never be forgiven Here's the good part, I have no sense of cosmological guilt at all, unlike Christians, so I don't need forgiveness. Overall I should say that just about every point you've made here is incredibly arrogant and presumptous. How can you claim to know speak for the atheist community at large given that you're not one? Caseofbaskets Posted at 8:38 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006  Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible.     I concur that to decide there must be a god is not rational, but the problem here is that in theory, someone who was thinking for themselves could come to an irrational conclusion. Whether or not their conclusion is reasonable, they'd still be thinking for themselves, which is the point I was trying to get accross. True, people can think for themselves and come to erroneous conclusions.  Happens all the time. It's been my experience, though, that most believers aren't believers because they've thought it through and decided to believe.  They're believers because that's the way they were raised, or because it's easier to just believe than to think rationally about whether believing makes sense.  That's what I was referring to when I said that people who believe are looked down on by people who think. It's possible that you know a better class of believer than I do.  But - at the risk of irony here - I'll believe it when I see it.   Shaknbake Posted at 8:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible. I concur that to decide there must be a god is not rational, but the problem here is that in theory, someone who was thinking for themselves could come to an irrational conclusion. Whether or not their conclusion is reasonable, they'd still be thinking for themselves, which is the point I was trying to get accross. Caseofbaskets Posted at 8:21 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Shaknbake at 11:15 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 5:59 am on Oct. 2, 2006  They're not thinking for themselves because no rational person believes in something that has no supporting evidence for its existence. If someone thinks for themselves and comes to an unreasonable conclusion, are they all of a sudden not thinking on their own anymore? I thought we were talking about independent thought. Rational (my word) and "unreasonable conclusion" (your words) are incompatible. Shaknbake Posted at 8:15 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Caseofbaskets at 5:59 am on Oct. 2, 2006 They're not thinking for themselves because no rational person believes in something that has no supporting evidence for its existence. If someone thinks for themselves and comes to an unreasonable conclusion, are they all of a sudden not thinking on their own anymore? I thought we were talking about independent thought. Captpalm Posted at 6:14 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 I will concede that my language wasnt exaclty clear and i may have used religion a little loosly. What i meant when i said that is there must be standard for any one to judge what is right and wrong. You are basing your morality on something although i dont know what. I'll be open to hear on what you base your morality. If you care to elaborate. Before Posted at 6:06 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 Quote: from Captpalm at 9:01 pm on Oct. 1, 2006 Quote: from Before at 7:19 pm on Oct. 1, 2006      Good people can do good things, bad people can do bad things, but for a good person to do bad things, it takes religion.     No it takes religion for all those things to happen. To judge anyone for good or bad there must be a standard something from which to judge. What is a good person without religion or what is a bad person? What is "good" and what is "bad" without religion? Without a God or gods there is no morality i.e. good or bad. So are you saying that the only thing that stops you from doing something bad, ie murder/rape, is your religion?? I don't need religion to know what is good and what is bad. Most recent 15 of 195 previous replies displayed.