So all cons are bad, just neocons are worse?
That's really a matter of perspective, but personally speaking, I dislike neocons the most. Mainly because I'm very non-interventionist while neocons are very interventionist (it's their #1 issue). I find neocons tend to be very lukewarm when it comes to fiscal issues, which I feel should be the most important. Neocons often seem to have this attitude that if you don't believe the US is #1 and that if you question the wisdom or morality of what we're doing and have been doing overseas, you hate America and are an awful person. It's a combination of all that which is why I dislike neocons the most of all people on the right.
I don't mind the religious right and paleoconservatives that much. I disagree with the religious right on a number of things, particularly on issues like gay marriage, but because much of their positions are rooted in their religion, it's simple enough to just leave them be, and they seem to leave me be too. I at least try to get them to support marijuana legalization though, I've been somewhat successful at that.
Quote: from Bud2400 at 12:24 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Considering conservatives typically vote republican and republicans support the Patriot Act, the NDAA, were a part of the initial support of SOPA, unquestioning support of our government's activities overseas, unquestioning nationalism, national IDs (Romney actively promotes that one), more surveillance, etc. I think it's fair to say that conservatives appear to support a police state. About the only thing contrary to the desires of a police state conservatives actively support are gun rights. Patriot Act, SOPA, and NDAA were all bipartisan. NDAA and SOPA were sponsored by Democrats and Obama is the one who came up with the indefinite detainment provisions for the NDAA.
Considering conservatives typically vote republican and republicans support the Patriot Act, the NDAA, were a part of the initial support of SOPA, unquestioning support of our government's activities overseas, unquestioning nationalism, national IDs (Romney actively promotes that one), more surveillance, etc. I think it's fair to say that conservatives appear to support a police state. About the only thing contrary to the desires of a police state conservatives actively support are gun rights.
So because it was all bipartisan, its okay? Just because the democrats are doing doesnt make it okay for the republicans. Hell, with all your rhetoric against democrats, Id be worried if republicans are agreeable with democrats on civil liberties.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:46 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Quote: from Bud2400 at 3:28 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:39 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 I was under the impression you call those people "neocons"... ??? Neocon tends to be reserved more for the pro-war wing of republicans / conservatives. Although plenty of neocons will call for things like national ID, the Patriot Act, and crap like that in the name of national defense against terrorism and whatever. It's also worth pointing out that the republican party has experienced a neocon takeover that's hopefully unwinding with the growing influence of libertarianism in the party.So the primary (only) difference between a "con" and a "neocon" is a proclivity for war? More or less. I wouldnt say its the only difference but the pro-war stuff is the main thing, all else is secondary.
Quote: from Bud2400 at 3:28 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:39 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 I was under the impression you call those people "neocons"... ??? Neocon tends to be reserved more for the pro-war wing of republicans / conservatives. Although plenty of neocons will call for things like national ID, the Patriot Act, and crap like that in the name of national defense against terrorism and whatever. It's also worth pointing out that the republican party has experienced a neocon takeover that's hopefully unwinding with the growing influence of libertarianism in the party.So the primary (only) difference between a "con" and a "neocon" is a proclivity for war?
Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:39 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 I was under the impression you call those people "neocons"... ??? Neocon tends to be reserved more for the pro-war wing of republicans / conservatives. Although plenty of neocons will call for things like national ID, the Patriot Act, and crap like that in the name of national defense against terrorism and whatever. It's also worth pointing out that the republican party has experienced a neocon takeover that's hopefully unwinding with the growing influence of libertarianism in the party.
I was under the impression you call those people "neocons"... ???
Neocon tends to be reserved more for the pro-war wing of republicans / conservatives. Although plenty of neocons will call for things like national ID, the Patriot Act, and crap like that in the name of national defense against terrorism and whatever. It's also worth pointing out that the republican party has experienced a neocon takeover that's hopefully unwinding with the growing influence of libertarianism in the party.
More or less. I wouldnt say its the only difference but the pro-war stuff is the main thing, all else is secondary.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 3:31 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Santorum is "fiscally" liberal? Anyone willing to spend millions of dollars on establishing the government as the bedroom police is certainly not concerned with fiscal issues. Santorum on liberal and libertarians: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can't go it alone, that there is no such society that I'm aware of where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture. " These are not the words of a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
Santorum is "fiscally" liberal?
Santorum on liberal and libertarians:
"They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can't go it alone, that there is no such society that I'm aware of where we've had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture. "
These are not the words of a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:46 am on Mar. 18, 2012 Quote: from Bud2400 at 3:28 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 12:39 pm on Mar. 17, 2012 I was under the impression you call those people "neocons"... ??? Neocon tends to be reserved more for the pro-war wing of republicans / conservatives. Although plenty of neocons will call for things like national ID, the Patriot Act, and crap like that in the name of national defense against terrorism and whatever. It's also worth pointing out that the republican party has experienced a neocon takeover that's hopefully unwinding with the growing influence of libertarianism in the party.So the primary (only) difference between a "con" and a "neocon" is a proclivity for war? and the fact they are fiscally Liberal like Santorum.
any reasonable person should support gun rights
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