For some reason the Obama camp forgot to mention this... Obama's top bundler Jonathan Lavine was in charge of Bain during the BST layoffs. Chuck Slowe reported: Blaming Governor Romney for any issues surrounding the failure of GST is wrong and it is a blatant lie. Mitt Romney had been long gone when the company started to fail and subsequently closed it doors. When are the President and his campaign hacks going to get the story correct? When are they going to get back to their economy and its dreadful condition? Mr. President, you can run but you cannot hide. It turns out that Jonathan Lavine, current Obama bundler, was actually in charge, at Bain, during that period, when the layoffs occurred. Oops, that isn't right, is it? Yes, that story is the one that needs to be reported on. Sorry Mr. President, your lies are just getting to be more than many of us are able to handle. And, Jonathan Lavine is not your average Obama Bain donor. Lavine is one of Barack Obama's top bundlers. ABC reported: While Democrats assail presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's Bain Capital business practices, Republicans note that President Obama has not been bashful about accepting cash from Bain executives or other high-profile figures in the corporate buyout business... ...One of Obama's top campaign financiers - Jonathan Lavine - is also managing director at Bain, bundling between $100,000 and $200,000 in contributions for the 2012 Obama Victory Fund, according to estimates released by the Obama campaign. The president has also relied on other leading figures in the private equity sector as hosts for high-dollar fundraisers and as members of his Jobs Council.
It turns out that Jonathan Lavine, current Obama bundler, was actually in charge, at Bain, during that period, when the layoffs occurred. Oops, that isn't right, is it? Yes, that story is the one that needs to be reported on. Sorry Mr. President, your lies are just getting to be more than many of us are able to handle.
And, Jonathan Lavine is not your average Obama Bain donor. Lavine is one of Barack Obama's top bundlers. ABC reported:
...One of Obama's top campaign financiers - Jonathan Lavine - is also managing director at Bain, bundling between $100,000 and $200,000 in contributions for the 2012 Obama Victory Fund, according to estimates released by the Obama campaign. The president has also relied on other leading figures in the private equity sector as hosts for high-dollar fundraisers and as members of his Jobs Council.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 2:19 am on July 21, 2012 At the time Obamacare was forced down our throats, it was unpopular with the majority of Americans... it still is. It doesn't really address "healthcare" or the reform of healthcare, it addresses insurance and redefines what "insurance" means. It also grows government, costs way too much and raises "taxes" on everyone, even those Obama promised wouldn't see their taxes go up at all under his "rule". Ok, I can see why you hate it. It sounds shittier than I thought it was. But I ask you, if Rommneny promised to raise taxes a little on everyone to pay for and implement a universal health care system similar to the NHS or our Medicare would you support him? Assuming his idea was popular that is.
At the time Obamacare was forced down our throats, it was unpopular with the majority of Americans... it still is. It doesn't really address "healthcare" or the reform of healthcare, it addresses insurance and redefines what "insurance" means. It also grows government, costs way too much and raises "taxes" on everyone, even those Obama promised wouldn't see their taxes go up at all under his "rule".
Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:59 am on July 21, 2012 Had I lived in Mass at that time, I could have simply moved across the state border and have been free of that law... in order to be free of Obamacare, I'll not only have to move out of the US, I'll have to renounce my citizenship. Romney was a governor accepting the will of the people of his state, why is that a problem? Don't ask me. I don't know shit about either of the guys. I'm just curious how you feel about it. So you accept the mandate on a state level because it allows or competitive federalism, but oppose it on a national level. If doing the will of the people was Rommney's justification or his bill why is that not acceptable or Obama's? FYI I think Obamacare is fucked. I hate the idea of being forced to buy something and would rather universal health care like we have here.
Had I lived in Mass at that time, I could have simply moved across the state border and have been free of that law... in order to be free of Obamacare, I'll not only have to move out of the US, I'll have to renounce my citizenship. Romney was a governor accepting the will of the people of his state, why is that a problem?
FYI I think Obamacare is fucked. I hate the idea of being forced to buy something and would rather universal health care like we have here.
Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:25 am on July 21, 2012 Quote: from Luckych4p at 11:12 am on July 20, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:02 am on July 21, 2012 Quote: from Luckych4p at 10:13 am on July 20, 2012 FA isn't a YEC unless things have changed. Not likely. Never have have been. But it's all he has since he can't argue facts. I dunno. Calling someone an idiot for believing in zombie jews or golden plates being read out of a hat seems pretty fair in lieu of actually stating policy differences. Speaking of which didn't Rommney have something similer to Obamacare when he was governor of.... whatever state it was? And what's your opinion on the fact that the heritage foundation came up with the madate thingy? If my factes are wrong let me know. Been out of the loop for a while.Romney, as governor, signed a healthcare bill that the Massachusetts (a very liberal state) legislature passed which was popular with the citizens there. Yes. The mandate idea was indeed initially part of a Heritage Foundation paper discussing how a "universal health care plan" might be implemented. Even so, it never became all that popular and even Obama rejected the idea while running for president... Thanks for reiterating what I already know. What I actually wanted to know was how you feel about voting for a guy/party seems to support the mandate and have introduced something similar to a bill you hate.
Quote: from Luckych4p at 11:12 am on July 20, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:02 am on July 21, 2012 Quote: from Luckych4p at 10:13 am on July 20, 2012 FA isn't a YEC unless things have changed. Not likely. Never have have been. But it's all he has since he can't argue facts. I dunno. Calling someone an idiot for believing in zombie jews or golden plates being read out of a hat seems pretty fair in lieu of actually stating policy differences. Speaking of which didn't Rommney have something similer to Obamacare when he was governor of.... whatever state it was? And what's your opinion on the fact that the heritage foundation came up with the madate thingy? If my factes are wrong let me know. Been out of the loop for a while.Romney, as governor, signed a healthcare bill that the Massachusetts (a very liberal state) legislature passed which was popular with the citizens there. Yes. The mandate idea was indeed initially part of a Heritage Foundation paper discussing how a "universal health care plan" might be implemented. Even so, it never became all that popular and even Obama rejected the idea while running for president...
Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:02 am on July 21, 2012 Quote: from Luckych4p at 10:13 am on July 20, 2012 FA isn't a YEC unless things have changed. Not likely. Never have have been. But it's all he has since he can't argue facts. I dunno. Calling someone an idiot for believing in zombie jews or golden plates being read out of a hat seems pretty fair in lieu of actually stating policy differences. Speaking of which didn't Rommney have something similer to Obamacare when he was governor of.... whatever state it was? And what's your opinion on the fact that the heritage foundation came up with the madate thingy? If my factes are wrong let me know. Been out of the loop for a while.
Quote: from Luckych4p at 10:13 am on July 20, 2012 FA isn't a YEC unless things have changed. Not likely. Never have have been. But it's all he has since he can't argue facts.
FA isn't a YEC unless things have changed.
And what's your opinion on the fact that the heritage foundation came up with the madate thingy? If my factes are wrong let me know. Been out of the loop for a while.
The mandate idea was indeed initially part of a Heritage Foundation paper discussing how a "universal health care plan" might be implemented. Even so, it never became all that popular and even Obama rejected the idea while running for president...
Oh now you're all damp over facts eh?
How did Mitt feel about the NDAA? Remind me again of his position on the 2nd amendment would you? Which position on abortion is he backing these days anyway? How about the TSA and homeland security?
Any one of those is more than enough justification to gamble 4 more years of Obama, rather than risk 8 years of Romney.
Quote: from AcesHigh at 7:32 pm on July 19, 2012 Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:34 pm on July 19, 2012 Quote: from AcesHigh at 2:16 pm on July 19, 2012 Magic under pants, or a magic zombie who forgives sins? Boy that's a tough choice. Both sound like such reasonable and realistic things right? What planet are you from? The one that was created in 6 days by your magical sky fairy.Okay, I know better than to argue with a fool...
Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:34 pm on July 19, 2012 Quote: from AcesHigh at 2:16 pm on July 19, 2012 Magic under pants, or a magic zombie who forgives sins? Boy that's a tough choice. Both sound like such reasonable and realistic things right? What planet are you from? The one that was created in 6 days by your magical sky fairy.
Quote: from AcesHigh at 2:16 pm on July 19, 2012 Magic under pants, or a magic zombie who forgives sins? Boy that's a tough choice. Both sound like such reasonable and realistic things right? What planet are you from?
Magic under pants, or a magic zombie who forgives sins? Boy that's a tough choice. Both sound like such reasonable and realistic things right?
Clearly, judging a person based on the level of rationality and reason they act with in life, is unjust to you.
The one that was created in 6 days by your magical sky fairy.
I mean, it says a lot about a person if they actually believe some guy had magic powers. Like, imagine? I don't want that kind of person in charge of my military.
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