Quote: from Forever Angel at 10:31 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 So there is nothing here that you can accept at face value? I'm honestly interested to know how you have to interpret them subjectively. Maybe the first one... no one understands what a positive community is? No one understands what demean, harass or threaten mean? No one understands what seriously means? Exerting their power? Impartial? Maybe you don't understand those terms, but if that's true, why are you a Mod? What constitutes to a demeaning attitude. Where does the line appear as to what is harassment? Threatening tends to be clear, but there are subtleties that you cannot ignore if you wish to moderate this site effectively. Perhaps you're so rigid in your day to day life that you don't understand that things are always clear cut but that is not the case for the majority of us. We have to put in a little more thought to realise what is horrible to another person, isn't necessarily to the next. Now I'm having to explain this in a very slow, labourious way, but is that demeaning? To some it is, so we clearly have to look at what's actually being said.
So there is nothing here that you can accept at face value? I'm honestly interested to know how you have to interpret them subjectively. Maybe the first one... no one understands what a positive community is? No one understands what demean, harass or threaten mean? No one understands what seriously means? Exerting their power? Impartial? Maybe you don't understand those terms, but if that's true, why are you a Mod?
So there is nothing here that you can accept at face value? I'm honestly interested to know how you have to interpret them subjectively. Maybe the first one... no one understands what a positive community is? No one understands what demean, harass or threaten mean? No one understands what seriously means? Exerting their power? Impartial?
Maybe you don't understand those terms, but if that's true, why are you a Mod?
Now I'm having to explain this in a very slow, labourious way, but is that demeaning? To some it is, so we clearly have to look at what's actually being said.
'Rigid' in my day to day life? What does that even mean? Especially the way you tried to explain it.
Demeaning? It wasn't... until you had to point out that it could be. At that point you make a very subtle suggestion that implies my intelligence is in question. In response to that, I'll simply 'take the source into consideration'.
I'll have to this week since she's on her period and I really don't want blood on my junk.
I love it when the kids come out to play. Always a good read. Besides, who takes advice from kids anyway? The whole "support" factor tends to lose its sting when people are just posting about the same thing over and over but just using different wording. So obviously there's very minimal to support with that. I don't need this website in the slightest, I'm only here because it gives me something to do when the girlfriend isn't around.
I don't need this website in the slightest, I'm only here because it gives me something to do when the girlfriend isn't around.
Common courtesy. Manners, you know?
So you can make every decision in your life without the slightest bit of predisposed belief one way or another? Because if you can, you're pretty much the greatest person who ever lived. Hell, not even our Lord himself could do that.
And as for that conduct, has to be subjective. Who can view it objectively. It's pretty straight-forward, what part can't you view objectively? So you can make every decision in your life without the slightest bit of predisposed belief one way or another? Because if you can, you're pretty much the greatest person who ever lived. Hell, not even our Lord himself could do that.
Guidelines are a nice way of saying rules in this instance.
And as for that conduct, has to be subjective. Who can view it objectively.
Firstly, you may have noticed that they are extremely general, and not everything that is not permitted on livewire is listed there. Secondly, to change and reform the guidelines, which we have spoken about as a team, would be a lengthy process, in which it'd take the entire teams' consensus, and then as common courtesy, David would be expected to review and approve those changes. Furthermore, we view those guidelines subjectively, and we use our heads for modding. It's very rare that everything is completely clear cut, and that's why the MER system works, because it gives other moderators a chance to approve or disapprove the original action. When a report is closed in favour of a member, it is highly unlikely that that change will be made in agreement with the original moderator, but one or more moderators will find against that original moderator, so the majority subjective view wins. We don't view things as black and white, just bold with gray bits that we need to identify and discuss as part of a team at times.
Furthermore, we view those guidelines subjectively, and we use our heads for modding. It's very rare that everything is completely clear cut, and that's why the MER system works, because it gives other moderators a chance to approve or disapprove the original action. When a report is closed in favour of a member, it is highly unlikely that that change will be made in agreement with the original moderator, but one or more moderators will find against that original moderator, so the majority subjective view wins. We don't view things as black and white, just bold with gray bits that we need to identify and discuss as part of a team at times.
And this: "Moderator Code of Conduct" ? Suggested or mandated conduct? Or... Interpreted according to the individual Mod's point of view?
Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:31 pm on Sep. 22, 2008 Quote: from Blank black at 9:26 am on Sep. 22, 2008 No, edited. The team wrote the guidelines. Before my time. Writing the original guidelines and 'editing' them are two different things. You should probably ask some of the older Mods about the ability to rewrite or 'edit' the guidelines now. I've been told by an 'older' Mod that the "team" can't do that. Which is why they haven't been updated. On a question I asked a Mod about equal enforcement of the guidelines, this is the answer I received: "Those first two are actually not in effect in any real form, nor will they be. However, we don't have access to that to rewrite it. David has instituted new policies that contradict that, but it's up to him to modify that accordingly." We can. I have the option to edit guidelines, and make new guidelines.
Quote: from Blank black at 9:26 am on Sep. 22, 2008 No, edited. The team wrote the guidelines. Before my time. Writing the original guidelines and 'editing' them are two different things. You should probably ask some of the older Mods about the ability to rewrite or 'edit' the guidelines now. I've been told by an 'older' Mod that the "team" can't do that. Which is why they haven't been updated. On a question I asked a Mod about equal enforcement of the guidelines, this is the answer I received: "Those first two are actually not in effect in any real form, nor will they be. However, we don't have access to that to rewrite it. David has instituted new policies that contradict that, but it's up to him to modify that accordingly."
No, edited. The team wrote the guidelines. Before my time.
On a question I asked a Mod about equal enforcement of the guidelines, this is the answer I received: "Those first two are actually not in effect in any real form, nor will they be. However, we don't have access to that to rewrite it. David has instituted new policies that contradict that, but it's up to him to modify that accordingly."
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