Maybe it's just me but It just happened on the phone..and now I'm really annoyed...
*calms down*
Quote: from greatescape at 10:06 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Your entire post is a testament to your personal feelings on the matter rather than an actual argument supported by how linguistics ACTUALLY regard the history of a language. Realistically, we could say that all languages are no more than 100 years old (as that's how long is generally takes for a dialect to change, often times much less), but for the sake of labeling and comprehending languages groups, we do not do that because it's a useless and tedious way to examine the subject. but it's true. They are different languages. Languages may evolve, and can trace their history to that language, but it is a new language. By your logic, all language are as old as humans began to talk. We wouldn't say Homo erectus is the same species as Homo sapiens
Your entire post is a testament to your personal feelings on the matter rather than an actual argument supported by how linguistics ACTUALLY regard the history of a language. Realistically, we could say that all languages are no more than 100 years old (as that's how long is generally takes for a dialect to change, often times much less), but for the sake of labeling and comprehending languages groups, we do not do that because it's a useless and tedious way to examine the subject.
Realistically, we could say that all languages are no more than 100 years old (as that's how long is generally takes for a dialect to change, often times much less), but for the sake of labeling and comprehending languages groups, we do not do that because it's a useless and tedious way to examine the subject.
but it's true. They are different languages. Languages may evolve, and can trace their history to that language, but it is a new language. By your logic, all language are as old as humans began to talk.
We wouldn't say Homo erectus is the same species as Homo sapiens
No, you can't. Languages are classified in an extremely specific manner, through phylogenetic trees. These trees begin at a root, which is known as the proto-language. No competent historian would put an age on a language that completely ignored the phylogenetic language tree, nor the origin of the proto-language as the "birthplace" of the given language.
Your posts are ridiculous and once again, demonstrate a vague understanding mixed with personal opinion on the matter. My entire field of study and current employment are in the field of linguistics. I'm not just making shit up here, unlike you.
ENG: The dog chased the cat DAN: Hunden jagtede katten. NOW: Hunden jaget katten.
*(I used Google translate so don't rely on those examples!)
Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:52 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:46 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:40 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:38 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:36 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk I called him a little girl on purpose. Ya, but funnily enough, das Mädchen is a neuter noun. It's ein kleines Mädchen I have never heard of Mädchen being neuter. Nice try though It is. It's just a case of grammatical gender trumping actual gender. Germans don't care if a Mädchen is a girl. They just care that there's a -chen on the end, which automatically makes it neuter. It's just like how die Frau can turn into das Fräulein. Still freaks me out a little when I end up having to reference women with "sein" or "ihm". It still refers to a little girl. I don't even. And if you can say die Mädchen, how is it kleines?
Quote: from Tatas at 1:46 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:40 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:38 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:36 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk I called him a little girl on purpose. Ya, but funnily enough, das Mädchen is a neuter noun. It's ein kleines Mädchen I have never heard of Mädchen being neuter. Nice try though It is. It's just a case of grammatical gender trumping actual gender. Germans don't care if a Mädchen is a girl. They just care that there's a -chen on the end, which automatically makes it neuter. It's just like how die Frau can turn into das Fräulein. Still freaks me out a little when I end up having to reference women with "sein" or "ihm".
Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:40 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:38 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:36 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk I called him a little girl on purpose. Ya, but funnily enough, das Mädchen is a neuter noun. It's ein kleines Mädchen I have never heard of Mädchen being neuter. Nice try though
Quote: from Tatas at 1:38 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:36 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk I called him a little girl on purpose. Ya, but funnily enough, das Mädchen is a neuter noun. It's ein kleines Mädchen
Quote: from InsaneBlue at 4:36 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk I called him a little girl on purpose.
Quote: from Tatas at 1:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Du bist eine kleine Mädchen. I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk
Du bist eine kleine Mädchen.
I'm calling you out on improper gender just to be a jerk
I called him a little girl on purpose.
Ya, but funnily enough, das Mädchen is a neuter noun.
It's ein kleines Mädchen
I have never heard of Mädchen being neuter. Nice try though
It is. It's just a case of grammatical gender trumping actual gender. Germans don't care if a Mädchen is a girl. They just care that there's a -chen on the end, which automatically makes it neuter. It's just like how die Frau can turn into das Fräulein.
Still freaks me out a little when I end up having to reference women with "sein" or "ihm".
It still refers to a little girl. I don't even. And if you can say die Mädchen, how is it kleines?
You can only say die Mädchen if you're talking about girls plural. In which case it would be kleine. But for singular, it's das and kleines.
This looks like it explains it well: http://blog.assarbad.net/20090810/das-madchen-why-is-it-grammatically-neutral/
Quote: from greatescape at 9:52 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from King Kong at 10:46 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 The English language isn't 1000s of years old. Spoken Old English (as it is classified when it was a highly similar group of Anglo-Frisian dialects) is most certainly well over one thousand years old. Even written old language is over one thousand years old by now. Proto-English appeared somewhere around 100AD and the language we classify as Old English is assumed to be spoken beginning around 500 AD. So yes, it is. Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena in ġeār-dagum, That's old English, it's nothing like Modern English. English we know today is a mixture of this, French and Latin. Modern English is quite literary a mixing pot of languages, and we shouldn't trace one part of the ingredients to say how old it is
Quote: from King Kong at 10:46 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 The English language isn't 1000s of years old. Spoken Old English (as it is classified when it was a highly similar group of Anglo-Frisian dialects) is most certainly well over one thousand years old. Even written old language is over one thousand years old by now. Proto-English appeared somewhere around 100AD and the language we classify as Old English is assumed to be spoken beginning around 500 AD. So yes, it is.
The English language isn't 1000s of years old.
Spoken Old English (as it is classified when it was a highly similar group of Anglo-Frisian dialects) is most certainly well over one thousand years old. Even written old language is over one thousand years old by now.
Proto-English appeared somewhere around 100AD and the language we classify as Old English is assumed to be spoken beginning around 500 AD.
So yes, it is.
Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena in ġeār-dagum,
That's old English, it's nothing like Modern English. English we know today is a mixture of this, French and Latin. Modern English is quite literary a mixing pot of languages, and we shouldn't trace one part of the ingredients to say how old it is
Do you consider yourself Welsh despite the fact that you look nothing like this and likely have nothing in common with this fellow:
Every language on the planet has phases. No linguist would deny that Old English is vastly different from modern English (as ALL languages are from their earliest form), however you cannot just eliminate phases of a linguistic history from a language because it's too different for you to understand.
The phonemic patterns, grammar, semantic shifts and origins of Old English is distinctly English. No one is going to argue that influences after that period changed the language tremendously, but that means nothing in terms of the silly argument you're failing in making.
Quote: from panacea at 10:40 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 Quote: from greatescape at 5:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 It's been happening since the start of time and is part of the natural evolution of language. People who are anal about linguistic trends such as this annoy me a lot more. truth! reminds me of this quote "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - James D. Nicoli Seriously, truth. I love it when people claim that any group has "basardized" or maimed the English language. The English language is one of the biggest bastard languages on the planet, and has been for thousands of years. As for the OP, I find it slightly hilarious that it's perfectly fine for English to globalize and for other languages to pidgin it into their own....but GOD FORBID we corrupt it with bits and pieces of other languages before having full comprehension of that language. OH NO!
Quote: from greatescape at 5:32 pm on Jan. 16, 2012 It's been happening since the start of time and is part of the natural evolution of language. People who are anal about linguistic trends such as this annoy me a lot more. truth! reminds me of this quote "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - James D. Nicoli
It's been happening since the start of time and is part of the natural evolution of language. People who are anal about linguistic trends such as this annoy me a lot more.
People who are anal about linguistic trends such as this annoy me a lot more.
truth! reminds me of this quote
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - James D. Nicoli
Seriously, truth.
I love it when people claim that any group has "basardized" or maimed the English language. The English language is one of the biggest bastard languages on the planet, and has been for thousands of years.
As for the OP, I find it slightly hilarious that it's perfectly fine for English to globalize and for other languages to pidgin it into their own....but GOD FORBID we corrupt it with bits and pieces of other languages before having full comprehension of that language.
OH NO!
It's not that, its the idea that if you can say a few words in a different language you can be pretentious about it. I have no problem with people who speak other languages and use it on conversation or those who are learning another language
but it's just sorta a habit, not something i do intentionally
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