http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
Quote: from kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel. Eh, I've seen the claims, however most sources pointing toward that are unreliable at best. I've seen interesting, more reliable stuff about the Nazis working up a deal to expel the Jews to Spain and then to the United States under the compromise that they would not go to Israel, which the Zionists flat out rejected, though.
Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel.
Eh, I've seen the claims, however most sources pointing toward that are unreliable at best. I've seen interesting, more reliable stuff about the Nazis working up a deal to expel the Jews to Spain and then to the United States under the compromise that they would not go to Israel, which the Zionists flat out rejected, though.
The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid
1) Is all of this information from you white support site or is it actually possible for me to find anywhere else. In other words: is that actually credible at all? 2) 2 of the most "white" countries in the world, russia and the united states, have the LARGEST HUMAN TRAFFICKING BY FAR. Shipping of women and children as slaves. 3)I am not denying a sex trade in israel, but also remember most if not all the people are coming from russia, and it is a WORLDWIDE epidemic, not indigenous to israel by far.
2) 2 of the most "white" countries in the world, russia and the united states, have the LARGEST HUMAN TRAFFICKING BY FAR. Shipping of women and children as slaves.
3)I am not denying a sex trade in israel, but also remember most if not all the people are coming from russia, and it is a WORLDWIDE epidemic, not indigenous to israel by far.
2) Russia nad the USA are the whitest countries? I wouldn't consider either a "white country" myself.
3) But they still have it, don't they?
KR's "history" websites racialcompact.com white-history.com
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Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though.Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel. Adolf was delighted to cooperate. By encouraging Jewish emigration more than two-thirds of Germany's Jews emigrated voluntarily in a peaceful process whereby they were permitted to take their wealth with them. Compared to previous pogroms against Jews this was relatively civilized and painless. What Germany considered their "Jewish Problem" was two-thirds solved - peacefully - by the time war broke out, but Jewish emigration to Israel was stopped by Britain who was having political trouble with different Jewish pressure groups. Many Zionists were delighted with the German collaboration process and made suggestions to the Nazis to help speed up the process, such as forcing Jews in Germany to wear the star of David - a Zionist innovation. The more pressure German Jews felt, the more would emigrate to Israel, so the theory went. The end result (and proposed "Final Solution")was the resettlement of Jews in Palestine and elsewhere. After other countries stopped accepting Jews from German held territories, Adolf had many of the remaining European Jews incarcerated and deported to the east, but continued to seek other destinations for them. Other countries, such as the US and Brittain, were persuaded not to accept Jewish emigrants from Germany. International Jewish lobby groups had implemented this refusal policy throughout Allied and neutral countries. Here's a quote: "Very honoured, Herr Himmler! The Jews are just as unwanted in Sweden as in Germany... you have released 5,000 Jews ... for evacuation to Sweden. I am not pleased with this..." Count Bernadotte to Himmler March 10th, 1945 ^^^^ Deporting them to Sweden. Count Bernadotte was assassinated by Zionists in 1948 also... And another quote: "It is remarkable that the states whose public opinion is in favour of the Jews all refuse to accept our Jews from us. They say they are magnificent pioneers of culture, and geniuses in economics, diplomacy, philosophy, and poetry, yet the moment we try to press one of these geniuses upon them, they clamp down their frontiers: 'No, no! We don't want them!' I think it must be unique in the history of the world, people turning down geniuses." - Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education. You know nothing about israel. It's sex-slavery, actually.
Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though.
Adolf was delighted to cooperate. By encouraging Jewish emigration more than two-thirds of Germany's Jews emigrated voluntarily in a peaceful process whereby they were permitted to take their wealth with them. Compared to previous pogroms against Jews this was relatively civilized and painless. What Germany considered their "Jewish Problem" was two-thirds solved - peacefully - by the time war broke out, but Jewish emigration to Israel was stopped by Britain who was having political trouble with different Jewish pressure groups.
Many Zionists were delighted with the German collaboration process and made suggestions to the Nazis to help speed up the process, such as forcing Jews in Germany to wear the star of David - a Zionist innovation. The more pressure German Jews felt, the more would emigrate to Israel, so the theory went. The end result (and proposed "Final Solution")was the resettlement of Jews in Palestine and elsewhere.
After other countries stopped accepting Jews from German held territories, Adolf had many of the remaining European Jews incarcerated and deported to the east, but continued to seek other destinations for them. Other countries, such as the US and Brittain, were persuaded not to accept Jewish emigrants from Germany. International Jewish lobby groups had implemented this refusal policy throughout Allied and neutral countries. Here's a quote: "Very honoured, Herr Himmler! The Jews are just as unwanted in Sweden as in Germany... you have released 5,000 Jews ... for evacuation to Sweden. I am not pleased with this..." Count Bernadotte to Himmler March 10th, 1945 ^^^^ Deporting them to Sweden. Count Bernadotte was assassinated by Zionists in 1948 also...
And another quote:
"It is remarkable that the states whose public opinion is in favour of the Jews all refuse to accept our Jews from us. They say they are magnificent pioneers of culture, and geniuses in economics, diplomacy, philosophy, and poetry, yet the moment we try to press one of these geniuses upon them, they clamp down their frontiers: 'No, no! We don't want them!' I think it must be unique in the history of the world, people turning down geniuses."
- Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels
This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education. You know nothing about israel.
You know nothing about israel.
1) Is all of this information from you white support site or is it actually possible for me to find anywhere else. In other words: is that actually credible at all?
please do you history
Quote: from carracer at 7:25 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Zionism was supported by Hitler my ass. You'd be rather surprised. Zionism is a national ideology, just as Nazism is. Nazism for Germany advocated for a homogeneous German state. Zionism advocates a homogeneous Jewish state. The two ideologies are very similar (and no, Nazism didn't advocate for the destruction of any race, but when put into practice, a few individuals took it out of control), and while Israel today isn't all Jewish (just as Nazi Germany wasn't all German), it is predominantly Jewish and there's no way the Israeli government will let that change so long as they embrace Zionism (hence why they did expel Palestinians from Palestine, bulldoze Palestinian homes, etc.). Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though. Zionism wasn't originally about stealing land in Palestine and turning it into a Jewish state - rather, alternatives like stealing land in Madagascar and turning that into a Jewish starte were proposed (and I believe that's what Theodor Herzl advocated for he thought that stealing land in Palestine would create huge conflicts, and rightfully so). Hitler certainly supported a Jewish state - after all, he believed in a nationalist ideology which advocated a single national state for a group of people, however I think he denounced Israel being that state for the same reasons as Herzl and proposed Madagascar instead, but couldn't do anything about it thanks to WWII. People should also keep in mind that Zionism isn't really much of an "organization," like many would have you believe. It's just an ideology. Himmler tried to seek out the leaders of Zionism but failed to do so simply because there are no leaders of Zionism. Perhaps today it'd be a little different with things like the World Zionist Organization being bigger and having more support today, Israel being in existence, etc. And even so, people should also keep in mind that Jew =/= Zionist (there are quite a few Jews, especially during the early 20th century, who denounced Zionism), and not all Zionists are Jews.
Zionism was supported by Hitler my ass.
You'd be rather surprised. Zionism is a national ideology, just as Nazism is. Nazism for Germany advocated for a homogeneous German state. Zionism advocates a homogeneous Jewish state. The two ideologies are very similar (and no, Nazism didn't advocate for the destruction of any race, but when put into practice, a few individuals took it out of control), and while Israel today isn't all Jewish (just as Nazi Germany wasn't all German), it is predominantly Jewish and there's no way the Israeli government will let that change so long as they embrace Zionism (hence why they did expel Palestinians from Palestine, bulldoze Palestinian homes, etc.).
Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though. Zionism wasn't originally about stealing land in Palestine and turning it into a Jewish state - rather, alternatives like stealing land in Madagascar and turning that into a Jewish starte were proposed (and I believe that's what Theodor Herzl advocated for he thought that stealing land in Palestine would create huge conflicts, and rightfully so). Hitler certainly supported a Jewish state - after all, he believed in a nationalist ideology which advocated a single national state for a group of people, however I think he denounced Israel being that state for the same reasons as Herzl and proposed Madagascar instead, but couldn't do anything about it thanks to WWII.
People should also keep in mind that Zionism isn't really much of an "organization," like many would have you believe. It's just an ideology. Himmler tried to seek out the leaders of Zionism but failed to do so simply because there are no leaders of Zionism. Perhaps today it'd be a little different with things like the World Zionist Organization being bigger and having more support today, Israel being in existence, etc. And even so, people should also keep in mind that Jew =/= Zionist (there are quite a few Jews, especially during the early 20th century, who denounced Zionism), and not all Zionists are Jews.
As a zionist jew, I understood that, and about the facts actually agree with most of them. The Neturei Karta are an example of non-zionist jews.
One of the things I did not agree with is the "stealing of palestine". Originally zionists BOUGHT plots of land for the muslims living in the land. The first zionist city, Tel Aviv, was bought by zionists because it was difficult for jews to live in the arab city of Jaffa, literally next to Tel Aviv.
Also Before the Independence War, the surrounding Arab Countries decided to tell the palestinians to move from their homes so that the various armies could "push the jews into the sea". Obviously when Israel won the war, it created problems for the people who had chosen to leave in hopes that the zionists would be gone. No one forced them out, and in fact Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians land in order for a 2 state solution. Unfortunately the various Palestinian leaders have said that they will accept no land unless it includes jerusalem. being that jerusalem is our one only holy city on the entire planet, you can see why most people would see that as not an option.
I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the HolocaustNOTHING was owed... They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves "Each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews" - Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel. Zionism was supported by Hitler AND the SS. Between 1933 and 1942 there existed an organized a network of 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective Jewish settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. These German funded "Kibbutz" training camps were run by Zionists. When the emigrants left for Palestine they were permitted to take all their wealth with them. This was the direct result of an agreement between Zionists and Germany, whereby Jews would be encouraged to settle in Palestine, Madagascar, or other areas denoted by the Zionist group. Through this "Transfer" agreement, Hitler's Germany did more than any other government to support Jewish nationalism and further Zionist goals. Other Jewish groups sabotaged the agreement when they successfully caused Palestine, Britain, the US and other European countries all to refuse entry to the Jewish emigrants. Many ships were sent back to Germany from Palestine, the UK and the US for this reason. Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like beforeAssimilate into other countries, my ass. I can come up with a few instances where Jews were expelled from nations, and a few places where Jews weren't allowed in. They were expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. Many went north and, in 1814, Norway formulated its first constitution that included in the second paragraph a general ban against Jews and Jesuits entering the country. I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter. They didn't have a voice in it, and many are treated as bad, if not worse, than whites treated Negroes in the old days of the USA. You do know slavery still exists over there, don't you?
I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust
They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves
Zionism was supported by Hitler AND the SS. Between 1933 and 1942 there existed an organized a network of 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective Jewish settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. These German funded "Kibbutz" training camps were run by Zionists. When the emigrants left for Palestine they were permitted to take all their wealth with them.
This was the direct result of an agreement between Zionists and Germany, whereby Jews would be encouraged to settle in Palestine, Madagascar, or other areas denoted by the Zionist group.
Through this "Transfer" agreement, Hitler's Germany did more than any other government to support Jewish nationalism and further Zionist goals.
Other Jewish groups sabotaged the agreement when they successfully caused Palestine, Britain, the US and other European countries all to refuse entry to the Jewish emigrants. Many ships were sent back to Germany from Palestine, the UK and the US for this reason.
Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before
They were expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. Many went north and, in 1814, Norway formulated its first constitution that included in the second paragraph a general ban against Jews and Jesuits entering the country.
I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter.
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
"You do know slavery still exists over there, don't you?"
This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education.
The idiot UK gave the land to the Jews to compensate for the holocaust and Jews desired the land that was stated in their religion; Israel. At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired. The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given. This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began. Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel. Silly illegal states, these days.
At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired.
The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given.
This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began.
Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel.
Silly illegal states, these days.
You only know half the story. 1) Britain support for jewish "palestine" came after WORLD WAR ONE, for jewish support against the turks. Britain promised to give land to them, then refused trying to keep good relations with the surrounding arab countries. In fact they highly restricted jewish immigration into "palestine until they left it in 1948. Britain's deal had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to dow with the holocaust, and they were not helpful in the least with the forming of israel.
http://www.familybible.org/images/History2.jpg
original 2 state solution, which included jordan as part of the jewish state. Israel got much much less land then it agreed upon. Don't kid yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War#Weapons
Again wrong. Israel originally bought secondhand weapons after WW2 from various countries. Again. BOUGHT.
The media is in favor of israel? What planet are you living on? You only hear about palestinian casualties and problems, and how israel is NOT JUSTIFIED IN ISRAEL'S DECISIONS. now how is that in favor of israel?
I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust. They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves? Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before? I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter.
"why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves? "
They did establish Israel themselves. The US didn't help form Israel. The president at the time just declared his support for it after it was declared an independent country, but had nothing to do with the forming of Israel.
Because Jews have Nordish ancestry! And they needed their OWN living space where ONLY THEIR RACE was in power!
Quote: from TheLastMagister at 2:29 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, You don't know much about how Palestinian Arabs live under the dominion of Israel, I presume?
I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled,
You don't know much about how Palestinian Arabs live under the dominion of Israel, I presume?
I believe the Jews should have their own land if they so please, but I don't think their treatment of non-Jews is, at all, reasonable.
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