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Afu Posted at 8:22 pm on Oct. 1, 2008
Race
--------------
White    38.8%
Black    37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian     2.8
Other     3.4

Time on AFDC
---------------------------
Less than 7 months     19.0%
7 to 12 months         15.2
One to two years       19.3
Two to five years      26.9
Over five years        19.6

Number of children
-------------------
One           43.2%
Two           30.7
Three         15.8
Four or more  10.3

Age of Mother
------------------
Teenager      7.6%
20 - 29      47.9
30 - 39      32.7
40 or older  11.8

Status of Father        1973     1992
-------------------------------------
Divorced or separated   46.5%    28.6
Deceased                 5.0      1.6
Unemployed or Disabled  14.3      9.0
Not married to mother   31.5     55.3
Other or Unknown         2.7      5.5

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm


http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html

just saying....

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beyourangel77 Posted at 7:32 am on Nov. 5, 2008
Thats sad because white stands as one and Black Hispanic and Asain and Other are always grouped as one.
kidd rune Posted at 7:02 am on Nov. 4, 2008

So in your case you think NO one can point to a motive? How about the fact hat you want to be segregated from them yet you have still 6 years in which you vae to be around nonwhites and you claim that you WILL BE KILLED for your wanting a white nation? To you everything is about race or about rac-esurvival. So You would have a race-based motive yeah.
That's an assumption.

Perhaps I didn't even SEE the victim and didn't know of his race.



You don't have to say that you want to kill a black person to point to some race-based motive. Escpcially  if there is NOT other motive.
Well that can lead to many false claims.


BTW I don't say that all of that is true of you or that you WOULD do it. I am just telling you HOW ppl could point backwards to some motive. I am no lawyer though so it is all guesswork. I don't really know how its done.
Well, I can certainly say the statistics aren't 100% correct then.
jakelong Posted at 8:17 pm on Nov. 3, 2008
So in your case you think NO one can point to a motive? How about the fact hat you want to be segregated from them yet you have still 6 years in which you vae to be around nonwhites and you claim that you WILL BE KILLED for your wanting a white nation? To you everything is about race or about rac-esurvival. So You would have a race-based motive yeah.

You don't have to say that you want to kill a black person to point to some race-based motive. Escpcially  if there is NOT other motive.

BTW I don't say that all of that is true of you or that you WOULD do it. I am just telling you HOW ppl could point backwards to some motive. I am no lawyer though so it is all guesswork. I don't really know how its done.

kidd rune Posted at 8:51 am on Nov. 3, 2008

None of which proves they WANTED to harm whites becuase they were whites.
I know - NOTHING can prove it or disprove it without asking the people and getting a truthful answer - something neither of us have the ability to do.


We don't know and therefore we can't claim it either way.
I didn't claim it, I GUESSED.



Yes they do. Your writings. Your previous claims. Your ppattern of work. The absence of OTHER motives.
Find a post that would prove that I wanted to kill Negroes.
jakelong Posted at 12:20 am on Nov. 3, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 7:28 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

There were LESS THAN 10 cases of White on black rape, yet OVER THIRTY THOUSAND cases of Black on White.
None of which proves they WANTED to harm whites becuase they were whites.


How do you know that EVERY SINGLE person that had race as a motive admitted it? How do you know that people that had NO race motive weren't accused of having one?
We don't know and therefore we can't claim it either way.


I can go shoot a Negro because he's Black and say it was for a different reason - they have no way of knowing, do they?
Yes they do. Your writings. Your previous claims. Your ppattern of work. The absence of OTHER motives.
kidd rune Posted at 7:28 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

Based on just 10? You can make some generalizing based on just 10?
There were LESS THAN 10 cases of White on black rape, yet OVER THIRTY THOUSAND cases of Black on White.


Oh thats right. If evidence pawns your claim then its NOT true. Same with holocaust evidence etc...
Well, there's no true way of knowing if the claims are true.

How do you know that EVERY SINGLE person that had race as a motive admitted it? How do you know that people that had NO race motive weren't accused of having one?

Holocaust evidence.... No need to go there Jakelong...


And there have been a plenty that did. But they don't even have to.
I can go shoot a Negro because he's Black and say it was for a different reason - they have no way of knowing, do they?
jakelong Posted at 3:45 pm on Nov. 1, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 2:23 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

You can conclude that Blacks want to rape Whites more than vice versa.
Based on just 10? You can make some generalizing based on just 10?


So, therefore, the statistics aren't true.
Oh thats right. If evidence pawns your claim then its NOT true. Same with holocaust evidence etc...


The bias itself can't be determined unless the criminal SAYS there was a racial bias - and that's only the ones that admit it.
And there have been a plenty that did. But they don't even have to.

Here is the definition


A hate crime, also known as a bias crime, is a criminal offense committed against a person, property, or society that is motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin.

kidd rune Posted at 2:23 pm on Nov. 1, 2008

Do you know yourself?
Over 10 I believe.


And?
You can conclude that Blacks want to rape Whites more than vice versa.


Most rapes are done by ppl known by the victim. But we don't know if they were planned and how.  
But you can be sure that 10 out of 30,000 were.


They DO. Just not is the same numbers. Why? Ask them.
There are less than 10, it'll be hard to find them.


It is challenged in court. But the officers are the ones who mark it down that way. If you want an example of how the system works go to p14 in that doc

http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/hatecrimes/hc05/preface05.pdf


So, therefore, the statistics aren't true. The bias itself can't be determined unless the criminal SAYS there was a racial bias - and that's only the ones that admit it.
jakelong Posted at 8:41 pm on Oct. 31, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 6:52 am on Oct. 31, 2008

How many rapes, out of 30,000, do you think were planned? A number please.
Do you know yourself?


Because there were THIRTY THOUSAND. I'm 100% sure that OVER 10 were planned.
And?


They knew who they were going to rape BEFORE starting the act.
Most rapes are done by ppl known by the victim. But we don't know if they were planned and how.  


Why don't Whites rape Blacks?
They DO. Just not is the same numbers. Why? Ask them.


So a police officer sees if it was Race related, writes it down, and that NEVER gets challenged?
It is challenged in court. But the officers are the ones who mark it down that way. If you want an example of how the system works go to p14 in that doc

http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/hatecrimes/hc05/preface05.pdf

kidd rune Posted at 6:52 am on Oct. 31, 2008

Again that YOUR opinion. Not proven fact.
How many rapes, out of 30,000, do you think were planned? A number please.


And as you know MORE LIKELY =/= SURELY.
I know.


What makes YOU so sure they were?
Because there were THIRTY THOUSAND. I'm 100% sure that OVER 10 were planned.


What do you really mean by "planned"? You mean 2 months in advance? 2 weeks? 2 days? 2 hours? 2 minutes?
They knew who they were going to rape BEFORE starting the act.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_rape

BTW most rapes are on ppl that are KNOWN to the rapist. The interracial rapes are prolly more bcause of lust, opportuinity etc...


Why don't Whites rape Blacks?


Nope. A judge does law INTERPRETATION.
So a police officer sees if it was Race related, writes it down, and that NEVER gets challenged?


Blacks might be MORE LIKELY to be arrested thats for sure. As usual.
No shit.
jakelong Posted at 8:37 pm on Oct. 30, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 7:03 am on Oct. 30, 2008

I'm sure MOST OF THE TIME that they chose who to rape.
Again that YOUR opinion. Not proven fact.


But I thought there were more Whites on welfare...
I can tell you some whites who are on welfare who are not exaclty poor. Some whites I know get $4000 per month in welfare.

And as you know MORE LIKELY =/= SURELY.


Seriously Jakelong, if you don't think any of those rapes were planned...
What makes YOU so sure they were?

What do you really mean by "planned"? You mean 2 months in advance? 2 weeks? 2 days? 2 hours? 2 minutes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_rape

BTW most rapes are on ppl that are KNOWN to the rapist. The interracial rapes are prolly more bcause of lust, opportuinity etc...


I assume the Judge does, but I don't know for sure.
Nope. A judge does law INTERPRETATION.


LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER - An employee, the duties of whose position are primarily the prevention, investigation, apprehension, or detention of individuals suspected or convicted of offenses against the criminal laws, including an employee engaged in this activity who is transferred to a supervisory or administrative position; or serving as a probation or pretrial services officer.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/l008.htm
 


more hate crimes have been committed AGAINST Negroes BECAUSE Whites are a larger portion of the population.
Blacks might be MORE LIKELY to be arrested thats for sure. As usual.
kidd rune Posted at 7:03 am on Oct. 30, 2008

What part of MOST OF THE TIME you don't understand?
I'm sure MOST OF THE TIME that they chose who to rape.



Expected compared to the fact that whites are MORE LIKELY to be richer so would be a GREATER target. But they are not.
But I thought there were more Whites on welfare...



As I said rapes are more emotional/personal things so tthey fall off the wall. Might well ask why men rape girls more than the other way around.
Seriously Jakelong, if you don't think any of those rapes were planned...



LAW ENFORCEMENT refers to cops.
I assume the Judge does, but I don't know for sure.



"equal" in what way? What is shows that the stats show that your MOTIVE claim isn't there.
Stop trying to disprove some guess I have - it's IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove.

Now, I'm saying that, given the stats, it's more likely for a Negro to commit a hate crime than a White - but more hate crimes have been committed AGAINST Negroes BECAUSE Whites are a larger portion of the population.

jakelong Posted at 6:52 pm on Oct. 27, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 6:35 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Then all of the 30,000 rapes weren't planned?
What part of MOST OF THE TIME you don't understand?


Who expects them to do how much and how much do they expect them to do? I wasn't surprised by the stats.
Expected compared to the fact that whites are MORE LIKELY to be richer so would be a GREATER target. But they are not.


It could be - but why the rapes? Are Whites more attractive or do they find Negroes unattractive?
As I said rapes are more emotional/personal things so tthey fall off the wall. Might well ask why men rape girls more than the other way around.
 

The police don't choose this - it's in court.
LAW ENFORCEMENT refers to cops.


Well, at least you can see that the 60.6% (74% of the US population) and 19.7% (13.4% of the US population) aren't equal.
"equal" in what way? What is shows that the stats show that your MOTIVE claim isn't there.
kidd rune Posted at 6:35 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

Oh its a GUESS!!! Oh yeah that is a great proof.
Again, I WASN'T TRYING TO PROVE IT.



Which do NOT prove their real motive.
I know it doesn't - but the fact stands, Black on White is more common than White on Black.



Rape motives are so off the wall that its even harder to tell or get any info from that. Theres no way to tell WHY ppl rape but most of the time its not even something ppl plan.
Then all of the 30,000 rapes weren't planned?



The same as what?
Black-Black and Black-White.



Its to be expected that more poor ppl go where the rich ppl are to get their money than vice-versa. What IS strange is that instead they MOSTLY target other ppl ppl like them. So it has more to do with where they are.

If anything else it shows that blacks are WAY LESS interested in attacking whites than they really would be expected to.


Who expects them to do how much and how much do they expect them to do? I wasn't surprised by the stats.



And that is not because black ppl are MORE LIKELY to be poorer than whites?
It could be - but why the rapes? Are Whites more attractive or do they find Negroes unattractive?



Cops who are sually white..
The police don't choose this - it's in court.


And its funny that you use second-hand sources for your stats insteead of FBI 2004 data.


offenders, 60.6 percent were white and 19.7 percent were black
What about Hispanic? It doesn't separate Hispanics from Whites and Blacks?

Well, at least you can see that the 60.6% (74% of the US population) and 19.7% (13.4% of the US population) aren't equal.

For it to be equal, 11% of offenders would have to be Black (if the 60.6% didn't change) or 109% of offenders would have to be White - which is impossible.

jakelong Posted at 6:18 pm on Oct. 27, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Oct. 27, 2008

I called it my GUESS
Oh its a GUESS!!! Oh yeah that is a great proof.
 

 I'm talking about interracial crime.
Which do NOT prove their real motive.


Sure, but there are only POSSIBLE reasons - no real evidence either way.
Ok trhen we agree.


What about rape?
Rape motives are so off the wall that its even harder to tell or get any info from that. Theres no way to tell WHY ppl rape but most of the time its not even something ppl plan.
 

It WOULD be the same though.
The same as what?


Negroes "pop up" when Whites are committing violent crime.
Its to be expected that more poor ppl go where the rich ppl are to get their money than vice-versa. What IS strange is that instead they MOSTLY target other ppl ppl like them. So it has more to do with where they are.

If anything else it shows that blacks are WAY LESS interested in attacking whites than they really would be expected to.


Actually, almost 36% of property taken against Whites is by Blacks, ONLY 6% LESS than the White number against fellow Whites.
And that is not because black ppl are MORE LIKELY to be poorer than whites?


Well, who is it up to to decide if it was hate oriented?
Cops who are sually white..

And its funny that you use second-hand sources for your stats insteead of FBI 2004 data.


Law enforcement agencies reported 4,863 offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender's racial bias.   Among those offenses, 67.5 percent resulted from an anti-black bias, and 20.5 percent were due to an anti-white bias.   Slightly more than 5 percent (5.2) of racially motivated incidents were driven by an anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias, 2.0 percent involved a bias against American Indian or Alaskan Native races, and 4.8 percent were directed at groups of individuals in which more than one race was represented (multiple races, group).

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/section1.htm


Of the 1,480 reported offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender's religious bias, 67.8 percent were anti-Jewish, 13.0 percent were anti-Islamic, 3.9 percent were anti-Catholic, 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant, and 0.5 percent were anti-Atheism or Agnosticism. Bias against other (unspecified) religions accounted for 9.5 percent of the hate crime offenses motivated by religious bias, and bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group) accounted for 2.5 percent.


Law enforcement agencies identified 7,145 known offenders in 7,649 bias-motivated incidents. (See Table 1.) Of the known offenders, 60.6 percent were white and 19.7 percent were black. Groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group) accounted for 5.1 percent of known offenders. Persons whom law enforcement identified as Asian or Pacific Islanders made up 1.0 percent, and American Indian or Alaskan Natives comprised 0.7 percent of known offenders. Nearly 13 percent (12.9) of known offenders were of an unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)


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