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Anonymous Posted at 10:55 pm on Dec. 27, 2008
Think that the condition of Africa is African peoples fault and that they should fix their poverty issues themselves. I have to disagree with this because a lot of people think of it as a non moral issue. Like they think it's " Why should we waste our time helping Africa? It's not like we will benefit off of it."

Well usually if you have a soul, it would be morally right to put effort in helping people who are suffering from famine, disease and other poor living conditions. I mean people may think it's a waste of time but in my opinion if you are a human being with a soul you would do it just because it is morally right. It shows how much the world really cares for people if it has nothing to do with money. Now there are many people that go to help Africa and other places of poverty in the country. That's really great but a lot of people think that that's good enough. I mean I don't think people realize how much our country could help places like Africa if we weren't so greedy and bent on war. The U.S.A is a great example of a Money Maniac country that would take lives just for profit. I mean if you think Africa is going to flourish without some aid then your living in a dream world. THEY NEED MORE HELP. No, not because there's gonna be money for us if we do, not because we owe them. WE should do it because we should help other people. That's what needs to happen. There are Americans who see that and care. Others though seem to be in that state of mind that "if there's no reason of benefit to me, then I will not help save lives."

Also you know what happens when people do help Africa? This is what happens.

When Oprah Winfrey build a school for girls in Africa, you actually got some people who said " Why can't she do that for people in America? Why Africa?"

I mean that's just heartless. America obviously has more than Africa as far as education opportunities. I mean not to say anything that might get some white people angry but there are a good number of white people that grow bitter at a black person having something. Like one time my mom)we are black) had a rental car. This white guy who was our neighbor came rushing out and said " Is that your car?". When my mom said no he was like "That's a relief". Then they hassled us over the phone as if they are so amazed that we had a car like that and that they were grateful that it wasn't really ours. There are many more incidents like that.

I mean on a sort of off topic note, I don't mind if I complement a white person or say that there are white people that are smart. Though a lot of times when you complement some white people, they will take that and run with it and say things like " Whites are the smartest, that's why or " whites are the prettiest race, that's why, blacks are ugly." I mean when blacks are complimented, they don't take that and run with it as much as a white person would. Mainly because of a point of view. Black people can be more insecure and be grateful when complimented. Then there are some white people that already think they are in a way better, then when a person of another race compliments them it's like the icing on the cake to them.

Back on topic though. People need to stop saying " Black people suck, their mainland is a shithole!"

Cause you know, whites colonizing in Africa didn't help when they mined diamonds and lived in the better and richer parts of Africa while the natives of the land suffered.

I just wanted to say that =/

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kidd rune Posted at 3:50 pm on Jan. 3, 2009

Just shows you understood 0% of what Bud said. Good job being a retard as usual.

Surprise me one day and start saying something intelligent and which makes sense.


Just because he said it doesn't make it true.
Really - it doesn't.

I saw Bud explain but not really PROVE it.


lol more than the shit YOU spew out thats for sure.

And in case you haven't noticed I disagree with bud many many times. But at least he makes sense and he understand logic and facts. And yeah he knows how to back up his claims and make a point. Something you have yet to figure out....


So what if you disagree with him?
He did not prove anything.
He explained it and it made sense to you - that's it.

It's not logic - it's explaining.

Don't believe it just because you want to or it's not "Racist" to believe it.

jakelong Posted at 12:20 pm on Jan. 3, 2009
Quote: from kidd rune at 5:19 pm on Jan. 2, 2009

Because Bud said it.
Just shows you understood 0% of what Bud said. Good job being a retard as usual.

Surprise me one day and start saying something intelligent and which makes sense.


Damn, maybe I should tell Bud to say that I'm a millionaire.
It'll come true.

lol more than the shit YOU spew out thats for sure.

And in case you haven't noticed I disagree with bud many many times. But at least he makes sense and he understand logic and facts. And yeah he knows how to back up his claims and make a point. Something you have yet to figure out....

kidd rune Posted at 5:19 pm on Jan. 2, 2009

Stop being a parrot and try making sense. Oh I know its tough. Here I am reposting Bud2400 posts for you
{SNIP}
Get it now?

Oh, Bud said it.
It must be 100% true.
And the only explanation.
Because Bud said it.

Damn, maybe I should tell Bud to say that I'm a millionaire.
It'll come true.

jakelong Posted at 4:48 pm on Jan. 2, 2009
Stop being a parrot and try making sense. Oh I know its tough. Here I am reposting Bud2400 posts for you


Africa's main problem with famine results in the fact that countries like the US subsidizes its agriculture and then exports its food products overseas to places such as Africa. Then the food is thrown into their markets at a price cheaper than the cost of production, and since African governments cannot subsidize agriculture as the IMF (who they have taken loans out of during the late 1970s during the oil crisis), farmers are forced out of business and the country is completely dependent on foreign imports of food. Sending massive amounts of food for aid only exasperates this problem even further. So now you have African citizens without work and thus without money. This sort of thing keeps them impoverished, and therefore dependent on food imports from the US.  

And remember, when you import something as vital as food like that, the price can vary a great deal depending on the cost of transportation. Back last summer when gas was at least $4 a gallon, it only drove the costs of food for them up even further, and with their food industry already destroyed, it's not exactly like they can just go back to farming so easily, so they're stuck. This was the biggest causes of the World Food Crisis that was going on, and still is to some extent.

If not for these problems and with a working agricultural industry, Africa could easily feed itself today, even with its current population.  


Get it now?

kidd rune Posted at 8:39 am on Dec. 30, 2008
Quote: from jakelong at 6:12 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

Quote: from kidd rune at 1:15 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

That is determined by what you call "Overpopulation."
No it's not determined by overpopulation. Read Bud2400's post. It explains what happened.

No it's not determined by that, read my post. It explains what happened.
jakelong Posted at 3:12 pm on Dec. 29, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 1:15 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

That is determined by what you call "Overpopulation."
No it's not determined by overpopulation. Read Bud2400's post. It explains what happened.
kidd rune Posted at 1:15 pm on Dec. 29, 2008

In the 1970s Africa was not overpopulated at all and still famine was a problem there.
That is determined by what you call "Overpopulation."

What do you set the limit as?

It's all YT's fault.

Before the arrival of Whites, a small number of Negroes were able to scrape out a subsistence lifestyle from Africa. The population was kept in check by mother nature and the knowledge of the Negro. Nature was allowed, unchecked, to keep a relatively small number of Negroes in relative harmony with nature by virtue of their number.
And along comes YT with his vaccines, medicine, sanitation, etc.
Infant mortality in Africa plummets, the life expectancy sky rockets. The Negroes do not see or understand what is happening, so it keeps reproducing like before without regards to demographic trends.

The difference is that now, in African countries with small White populations and White doctors, when a Negro has eight children, seven of them survive to puberty as opposed to the two who were surviving 100 years ago.

Thus, a MAJOR drain on the land, the resources, etc... all of Africa is soon to turn into one big Haiti. The negro population is too large, it's putting too much pressure on a land which cannot sustain their numbers.


Africa and its population haven't - and may never - adapt to what is happening.

Bud2400 Posted at 12:05 pm on Dec. 29, 2008
Africa's main problem with famine results in the fact that countries like the US subsidizes its agriculture and then exports its food products overseas to places such as Africa. Then the food is thrown into their markets at a price cheaper than the cost of production, and since African governments cannot subsidize agriculture as the IMF (who they have taken loans out of during the late 1970s during the oil crisis), farmers are forced out of business and the country is completely dependent on foreign imports of food. Sending massive amounts of food for aid only exasperates this problem even further. So now you have African citizens without work and thus without money. This sort of thing keeps them impoverished, and therefore dependent on food imports from the US.

And remember, when you import something as vital as food like that, the price can vary a great deal depending on the cost of transportation. Back last summer when gas was at least $4 a gallon, it only drove the costs of food for them up even further, and with their food industry already destroyed, it's not exactly like they can just go back to farming so easily, so they're stuck. This was the biggest causes of the World Food Crisis that was going on, and still is to some extent.

If not for these problems and with a working agricultural industry, Africa could easily feed itself today, even with its current population.

jakelong Posted at 12:38 am on Dec. 29, 2008
Quote: from kidd rune at 10:18 am on Dec. 28, 2008

Africa is overpopulated and they can't handle that many people.

What can fix that?


In the 1970s Africa was not overpopulated at all and still famine was a problem there.
Anonymous Posted at 7:25 pm on Dec. 28, 2008
Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:23 pm on Dec. 28, 2008

The reason people say "Just leave it alone, it's not worth it."(Including myself) Is people are CONSTANTLY trying to help Africa. There are non-for-profit organizations, missions, UN, NATO, and individual national support organizations, but the resources are abused. Missionaries get massacred, NATO escalates situations 10x as worse as before, funding given is taken by dictators and militants to divert as war funds to escalate violence further.  

We help plenty, we give them the tools, the truth is Africa isn't capable of helping itself.


It's a poor country. The people who colonized there and mined all the diamonds are sure living the life in the good area's though

The Last Magister Posted at 7:23 pm on Dec. 28, 2008
The reason people say "Just leave it alone, it's not worth it."(Including myself) Is people are CONSTANTLY trying to help Africa. There are non-for-profit organizations, missions, UN, NATO, and individual national support organizations, but the resources are abused. Missionaries get massacred, NATO escalates situations 10x as worse as before, funding given is taken by dictators and militants to divert as war funds to escalate violence further.

We help plenty, we give them the tools, the truth is Africa isn't capable of helping itself.

Anonymous Posted at 7:09 pm on Dec. 28, 2008
Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:02 pm on Dec. 28, 2008

Why Africa? Do you think Africa is the only place that needs help?  

What about eastern europe? What about China? The country is doing well, but not a large portion of their people.

The fact is, we pour plenty of money into Africa-it just never reaches the people it's supposed to. Is it our fault? No. Don't act like the blame for inactivity is on us, blame the governments who are taking our financial aid and using it as war funds.


That's what I have been saying! Also I included other places in the world that need help too. So all this time you thought I was saying that white people are to blame for all of this? No I am saying the nations in General don't care enough and as far as real life and the internet, I see that the citizens don't think Africa is worth helping either. So it's everyone in generals negative feelings that are to blame. When I was talking about white people I was saying that there are many white people that already don't care for black people as much and think "Just leave that barbaric island to itself, it's not worth helping".

That isn't saying that all white people think that way.

The Last Magister Posted at 7:02 pm on Dec. 28, 2008
Why Africa? Do you think Africa is the only place that needs help?

What about eastern europe? What about China? The country is doing well, but not a large portion of their people.

The fact is, we pour plenty of money into Africa-it just never reaches the people it's supposed to. Is it our fault? No. Don't act like the blame for inactivity is on us, blame the governments who are taking our financial aid and using it as war funds.

Anonymous Posted at 12:55 pm on Dec. 28, 2008
Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:33 am on Dec. 28, 2008

This topic made me giggle.

I really don't care what my ancestors did to Africa, which they didn't, because the Bavarians were too busy fighting the Ottomans by the way, but I am sure that you assume that all white people had a hand in what Africa became, therefore it's all of our responsibilities to clean up that shithole.  

Oh no, you can get the people who's ancestors are actually responsible, not I.

Second, as for moral standards, let me put it to you this way; I care more about my family and my loved ones, then anyone else, especially people I've never met, that act like I owe them something, when I don't. It's that simple.  

Please, get a goddamn education.


No one said it was like that. No one said anyone had to do this because of slavery. You may think I am one of those black people that think all white people owe us but I don't think that. I am saying that the colonization of white people there didn't help which someone agreed with me on. I am not saying people should do it because they owe anyone. This isn't about helping Africa because they owe us. See your still not getting what I mean when I say morals.

It's not about money, it's not about owing them, it's not about any of that. It's about having the moral conscience in general to help people. This goes for everyone so sorry if you got mistaken thinking that I thought whites owe them. There are people who do go to help people in Africa. I just think it should get more support because many countries don't give a dam. What is so controversial about me criticizing other countries for not giving a dam? Are we too proud of ourselves to do that? So please get it right next time you post here. This isn't about paying back people who's ancestors have been enslaved. This is just about helping people.  

You care about your family. That is good. Why not push to help other people? So because you only care about your family that means the U.S.A among other countries should not give a dam about people suffering? Again it's a morally right thing and why not help starving children in another place? It's a moral thing and God smiles upon you when you do good things. He frowns upon people who think like " At least I'm not going to die, so I am not going to bother calling the police on the people beating that man across the street."

So sorry if you thought this was a "whites owe blacks" thing because this goes for everyone too

But it kind of sickens me how you guys are getting so mad over the idea that I think more people should help Africa. Does it make you that angry that I call out the world for not caring? Jesus this is an example of how human beings in this day and age don't care at all. Not even for the people in their own country. I'm done with you guys.

iinsurgent Posted at 11:20 am on Dec. 28, 2008
more AIDS and famine!
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