I referred 3 friends and the box still isn't checked, why? It was a bug that a few people had. It's fixed now, good look at your My Account.
Will I have to stop using LiveWire? This in no way affects the way you use LiveWire. Even if you decide to not refer anyone, your account continues working exactly as before.
My Compromise I have decided after your petitions, messages, and topics that I am willing to compromise on the friend referral requirement. You'll laugh, but I actually intended to make the requirement 5 friends and not just 3 friends up until the last minute when I decided 5 was perhaps too many. I think it is reasonable to compromise and assume that everyone knows at least 1 person who they could refer to LiveWire. So, what do you say to lowering the requirement to 1 friend?
By lowering the requirement to 1 friend it will mean that 326 members already meet the requirement and 52 will have already completed the checklist.
You obviously believe that this will affect the majority of people on livewire greatly, so I find it unfair that you've done it. As far as I'm aware, you're basically punishing people for your own greed..
I'm not going to add any of my friends because I've said things in the past that are pretty personal, and in the future I may say more. I go on this site not for the point system, but to get away from life, adding people who I know will only bring my life with me. I guess I'll be staying at a lower rank until I leave. But like I said it doesn't bother me personally to an extent, but your presumption that it will is quite unjust.
Isn't the main aim for this site to help people in need? Doesn't this kind of contradict that idea?
Do I still get points for posting? Yes, there has been no change to points at all. Your rank title and image simply do not change until you have completed the Basic Membership Checklist. I referred 3 friends and the box still isn't checked, why? It was a bug that a few people had. It's fixed now, good look at your My Account. Will I have to stop using LiveWire? This in no way affects the way you use LiveWire. Even if you decide to not refer anyone, your account continues working exactly as before. My Compromise I have decided after your petitions, messages, and topics that I am willing to compromise on the friend referral requirement. You'll laugh, but I actually intended to make the requirement 5 friends and not just 3 friends up until the last minute when I decided 5 was perhaps too many. I think it is reasonable to compromise and assume that everyone knows at least 1 person who they could refer to LiveWire. So, what do you say to lowering the requirement to 1 friend? By lowering the requirement to 1 friend it will mean that 326 members already meet the requirement and 52 will have already completed the checklist.
Cheap and easy way to try to get people to join so that they'll click on your ads and earn you more moolah.
But really. Did you ever notice how most people who spend significant amounts of time online don't have friends that share that same interest?
Your plan=failure. Pure and simple.
Quote: from JennyColada at 10:28 am on Nov. 10, 2006 You're all a bunch of fucking whiners. Jesus Christ. It's one friend, get over it people. What part of "the LiveWire community is getting smaller because less people are joining" is hard to understand? LiveWire is MADE of its members, if they die out then there is no LiveWire. I sweat, some of you seem like the greedy ones to me. It's like, a candy bar. If you love this candy bar so much that you don't want to share or tell any of your friends about it, then the candy bar will only get sold to a handful of people, and if that doesn't work then it will eventually stop being produced...no matter how delicious it is. It's one friend, if you didn't refer people from the link then I'm sorry, but next time perhaps you should? Or when you're talking to a friend maybe ask if they could sign up with your link? It's not a horribly big deal in my opinion. And to whomever was whining about "omg our rank goes down, that isn't fair!" If the person with the highest rank, most points doesn't care about it...then why should you? Can you get any more rude? For someone who is so active and has so many points and time in this site, I would have expected a far more compassionate response. The attitude you are displaying is one of the reasons I spent a lot of time away from this site for quite awhile. I really thought when I came back here earlier this year that this site finally had moderators who have matured beyond this type of attitude. [and I believe for the most part, we have very kind and wonderful mods] Your response here does more harm for commaraderie for the LiveWire community and for people continuing to come back than those here communicating their feelings towards the latest changes. I'd hate for this place to revert back to the days when you were spamming this place being the premadonna you are now displaying once again. Allow people to freely feedback their feelings...it is all members who ultimately make a difference in this site. Allow their voices to be heard without condemnation!!
You're all a bunch of fucking whiners. Jesus Christ. It's one friend, get over it people. What part of "the LiveWire community is getting smaller because less people are joining" is hard to understand? LiveWire is MADE of its members, if they die out then there is no LiveWire. I sweat, some of you seem like the greedy ones to me. It's like, a candy bar. If you love this candy bar so much that you don't want to share or tell any of your friends about it, then the candy bar will only get sold to a handful of people, and if that doesn't work then it will eventually stop being produced...no matter how delicious it is. It's one friend, if you didn't refer people from the link then I'm sorry, but next time perhaps you should? Or when you're talking to a friend maybe ask if they could sign up with your link? It's not a horribly big deal in my opinion. And to whomever was whining about "omg our rank goes down, that isn't fair!" If the person with the highest rank, most points doesn't care about it...then why should you?
Jesus Christ. It's one friend, get over it people. What part of "the LiveWire community is getting smaller because less people are joining" is hard to understand? LiveWire is MADE of its members, if they die out then there is no LiveWire.
I sweat, some of you seem like the greedy ones to me. It's like, a candy bar. If you love this candy bar so much that you don't want to share or tell any of your friends about it, then the candy bar will only get sold to a handful of people, and if that doesn't work then it will eventually stop being produced...no matter how delicious it is.
It's one friend, if you didn't refer people from the link then I'm sorry, but next time perhaps you should? Or when you're talking to a friend maybe ask if they could sign up with your link? It's not a horribly big deal in my opinion.
And to whomever was whining about "omg our rank goes down, that isn't fair!" If the person with the highest rank, most points doesn't care about it...then why should you?
Can you get any more rude? For someone who is so active and has so many points and time in this site, I would have expected a far more compassionate response. The attitude you are displaying is one of the reasons I spent a lot of time away from this site for quite awhile. I really thought when I came back here earlier this year that this site finally had moderators who have matured beyond this type of attitude. [and I believe for the most part, we have very kind and wonderful mods]
Your response here does more harm for commaraderie for the LiveWire community and for people continuing to come back than those here communicating their feelings towards the latest changes.
I'd hate for this place to revert back to the days when you were spamming this place being the premadonna you are now displaying once again.
Allow people to freely feedback their feelings...it is all members who ultimately make a difference in this site. Allow their voices to be heard without condemnation!!
T0Y, why are you such a brown noser? No one even knows who you are yet you take the time to let people know of your lurking days. You know everyone, yet no one knows you? Weird. This isn't a small site where your opinion might actually matter. Well, maybe it does now that you're a part of the ever changing group 5...
If you all spent half as much time fulfilling the requirements as you did bickering and whining none of you would still be effected in the slightest.
Quote: from big mac at 7:16 pm on Nov. 11, 2006 Quote: from radio moscow at 7:23 pm on Nov. 10, 2006 Maybe this'll be like the sidebar thing where he bitches about how LW isn't a democracy and then he gives in eventually. I like the side bar on the left, and i wasn't around for that to start with. Who knows if I'll give in, i can't predict the future. But for now, i stand by my beliefs. "He" being David. Mine is on the left as well.
Quote: from radio moscow at 7:23 pm on Nov. 10, 2006 Maybe this'll be like the sidebar thing where he bitches about how LW isn't a democracy and then he gives in eventually. I like the side bar on the left, and i wasn't around for that to start with. Who knows if I'll give in, i can't predict the future. But for now, i stand by my beliefs.
Maybe this'll be like the sidebar thing where he bitches about how LW isn't a democracy and then he gives in eventually.
I like the side bar on the left, and i wasn't around for that to start with.
Who knows if I'll give in, i can't predict the future. But for now, i stand by my beliefs.
"He" being David.
Mine is on the left as well.
Sorry for the misconception, that said,
Go lefties!
I still have my sidebar on the left. :D
It's shexiful :P
One interesting feature of LiveWire at the moment is the large number of new accounts which are created by people who immediately start contributing hate and generally provoke everyone just for the sheer hell of it and subsequently get themselves banned. These people don't care for LiveWire's integrity and make the it a worse place for everyone. I see what David is trying to do with his new Basic Membership Checklist scheme. He wants to make sure that LiveWire stays alive and remains as good as it always has been instead of stagnating and slowly dying as people stop using it and no one else signs up. One very good feature of LiveWire is that newly-created topics will be replied to in a very short space of time and it is important to maintain a high number of average members logged in at any given time so that this can remain so. David's intentions (according to him) are for the good of the forum as a whole and I agree that LiveWire should be promoted and it is in the best interest of members to do so.
However, I don't think his implementation of the Basic Membership Checklist scheme was entirely a good thing. First of all, he is stripping away the status' of veteran members who have been with LiveWire for a long time and contributed much to the forums if they have not referred someone to the forum. He is taking what we have away from us until we persuade someone else to join the forum. Although to an extent I agree that the Basic Membership Checklist scheme would increase the number of accounts on LiveWire, this may not necessarily be a good thing. If people sign up simply because their friend tells them too then they may not necessarily care about LiveWire at all. They might contribute yes, but their account could also remain inactive or worse they could become another one of those people who sign up and immediately start throwing hate and insults around just for the thrill.
Don't get me wrong, I've already said how I am in favour of the promotion of LiveWire. But instead of taking status' away from members who haven't persuaded someone to join up, I think that an renewed incentive scheme would be a far more suitable solution.
We get larger avatars and mailboxes if we donate money to support LiveWire. Why can't there be some other incentive for referring a friend? We could acquire another status alongside "Sustainer" or "Patron" ("LiveWire Promoter" perhaps?) and get new benefits as a result: perhaps the option to add emoticons to our nicknames with 1 friend referred and change its font and colour with 5 friends, for example. Simply restricting our status' to Dairy Product Addict gives a false impression as to how much a person has genuinely contributed to LiveWire through volume of posting and topic-creating and the negative vibe which has been sent through the forum as a result of the Basic Membership Checklist scheme has somewhat proved counterproductive to its purpose for improving the atmosphere of LiveWire.
I would ask David Jones to consider all options and for continued constructive discussion of this matter. Hate-mail is positively counter-productive.
Make it 5 friends, David. I am heavily enjoying the controversy this is causing.
Better Idea: Make it a requirement to donate money to LW in order to fulfill the checklist requirements, grab some popcorn and beer, and let's all sit back and watch the ensuing shitstorm.
(srsly as much as i'm enjoying the whining over the referrals mandatory donation would be infinitely more hilarious even as a prank for like a day or something)
David, this is really kind of hard. I can't refer my school-friends, because, well, I'd have to watch what I say every second I spend on LiveWire.
Yes, this is the paradox- I thought LiveWire was suppose to be a place where we could be open and candid about our personal life with people who would not judge us like those we deal with in everyday life. So how can we now invite the people we know here when they will be reading our posts and poking through our archive?
However, requiring a friend referral who then has to actually join LiveWire with a verified account using your special link does not seem like the right thing to have for LiveWire.
As many members have stated, LiveWire has been a place to share and discus very personal and private issues that one wouldn't normally feel comfortable sharing with personal friends or family members. Inviting those same people to LiveWire really doesn't work well for most members.
LiveWire is not a myspace! Requiring members to ask their friends to join on myspace makes much more sense than on LiveWire. Myspace is based off of networking and LiveWire is not. LiveWire is all about Peer Support. Peer Answers. Period. Adding friend referral requirements such as these deteriorate LiveWire's original purpose.
Because LiveWire is not network based, it does cause some problems when trying to maintain a thriving community. So I understand David's reasons for doing what he has done but I think we can do better.
At the very least, anonymously advertising LiveWire with one of those small LW logo image ads should be enough to check off that part of the list (that is, if we have to stick to this format).
The goal is to come up with a way to get LiveWire's name out there and entice more people to join. It can't cost any money and the burden can't be put all on David. I believe that we can be creative enough here to find a solution without the silly requirements that hold you back from full member status. The proof will be in the stats. After all, David, you should get a lot more support from willing members who want to volunteer their time to help LiveWire instead of setting members back with ugly limitations.
Quote: from UnusualOne at 1:09 am on Nov. 10, 2006 I think that's ok. But I wouldn't have had to bother with anything this morning. But getting them to verify their email is a little much.The only reason I ask for them to verify their email is to discourage people from signing up fake accounts as that wastes everyone's time.
I think that's ok. But I wouldn't have had to bother with anything this morning. But getting them to verify their email is a little much.
But getting them to verify their email is a little much.
Than that's exactly what this new rule does. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I don't want any of my pals knowing I come on a site for teen support. I'm just self conscious like that, as well as many others. So we create fake accounts. It's easier, quicker, and we don't have to spam our friends. As for lowering it down to one, I think that is a lot more reasonable. :)
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