Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic Support Leader Status Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]major[/m] at 8:59 pm on July 22, 2008[quote]bad idea[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post FurryPanther Posted at 8:42 pm on July 22, 2008 I have a proposition. This may not be the exact thing I'm going for, but it's a start, and I think that this, or what it could be built into, could help the system. Here it is: Support Leader applications require a nomination. The nomination will not force them to become one, so they still have to work for it themselves. They make the replies, and they write the application. But they'd require a little more to show that their support isn't limited to merely those 10 replies; that they'd continue to use the status for which it was designed. Perhaps this would require another Support Leader to vouch for them, and put their name on the line. Perhaps this is simply someone they'd really helped out. That's up for debate. But I feel this would help to weed out those who are simply doing it for the badge and/or the moderation abilities, and get people who are truly deserving to be promoted. Thoughts? FP

Replies marshmellowman Posted at 8:29 am on July 26, 2008 No, I think it's ridiculous. It just means those that are less known (or less popular) will have to ask or seek approval from one of the many Support Leaders or another member to get them to be nominated. It seems to serve absolutely no purpose because whoever could nominate would automatically be inclined to put up for nomination one that they feel is supportive enough (like a taster of their application). Some people's posts or efforts may go unnoticed and it seems a shame that someone that is so dedicated would have to then be put up for nomination. Those that have friends that are SLs could easily nominate the other, and those that don't might just feel turned down by the idea. It could easily discourage new members from becoming SLs, even in the long run. As for the penalty, that's silly. A nominator who nominates someone that they don't know or don't see posting around could easily nominate a spammer (perhaps a dedicated one). Then if they get the SL status and begin to fuck around or put in a shoddy application you'd be willing to punish the person that prompted their application? Or even still you'd just be making SLs wary of nominating people in fear of being punished. The whole idea seems unnecessary and I can't see how it would accomplish anything. Link01 Posted at 11:02 am on July 24, 2008 I agree but the nomination should only make it easier and the nomonie should get the posts nikki Posted at 9:56 am on July 24, 2008 It's a pointless idea. SL status is not about popularity. wmudude Posted at 5:51 am on July 23, 2008 Quote: from Major at 12:44 pm on July 23, 2008 so we're turning this into a popularity contest rather than a demonstration of ability? Sure as hell sounds like it, but isn't that what this site is built around anyway? But anyway, it's a dumbass idea. Arguia Posted at 5:46 am on July 23, 2008 I probably won't be an SL if that was the case. I don't really have any friends on LW who would nominate me and I tend to fall below the radar. I don't like the idea. TheOtherHorseman Posted at 9:11 pm on July 22, 2008 Eh. It seems like an unnecessary level of complication that won't really address Support Leaders eventually become too lazy to do anything other than move offensively placed topics or eliminate hideous replies. iwashere85 Posted at 9:00 pm on July 22, 2008 I absolutely see the point here, but I don't think we can depend on the honor system. I can see other support leaders, sadly, saying "yeah, sure, I'll put it for ya" without a second thought. major Posted at 8:59 pm on July 22, 2008 bad idea The Professional Posted at 8:54 pm on July 22, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:52 pm on July 22, 2008 Then it could be another SL that needs to nominate them, and perhaps a penalty for frivilous nominations. Or hell, even a mod. This would keep out those that just want the power and the badge, since inactivity does not seem to be reason to demote. FP I still don't see it impacting the level of support here.  I don't think members apply simply for the move topic and remove post ability - I think gradually, over time, it develops into that, but that it's RARELY the motivating factor behind wanting SL status. Also, as you know, SLs are actively being demoted for inactivity, ADMO log shows such demotions. audrey820 Posted at 8:54 pm on July 22, 2008 If the mod is going to nominate the member, they can just accept the application..... From my view, you're making this complex for absolutely no reason. FurryPanther Posted at 8:52 pm on July 22, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:48 pm on July 22, 2008 Same.  Members around here will do anything they're told, basically.  "Hey, look, I posted go to the doctor on your thread, nominate me please, I'll give you 3 points!" "SURE THING BUDDY!" Not to mention the obvious problem of creating secondary accounts to nominate themselves.  They can just reactivate the ones they used to refer a friend. :P Then it could be another SL that needs to nominate them, and perhaps a penalty for frivilous nominations. Or hell, even a mod. This would keep out those that just want the power and the badge, since inactivity does not seem to be reason to demote. FP The Professional Posted at 8:48 pm on July 22, 2008 Quote: from audrey820 at 10:44 pm on July 22, 2008 I really don't think this will help at all. If anything, I see it eliminating great SLs who don't want to seek out a sponsor. I think the app is fine as it is, really. Same.  Members around here will do anything they're told, basically.  "Hey, look, I posted go to the doctor on your thread, nominate me please, I'll give you 3 points!" "SURE THING BUDDY!" Not to mention the obvious problem of creating secondary accounts to nominate themselves.  They can just reactivate the ones they used to refer a friend. :P FurryPanther Posted at 8:46 pm on July 22, 2008 Quote: from Major at 9:44 pm on July 22, 2008 so we're turning this into a popularity contest rather than a demonstration of ability? a member that's under the radar but puts out quality replies is much preferred to one that spams and tries to amuse their nominators. I think the whole application system is sufficient, no need to throw in another layer It's not a popularity contest. That's why where the nomination comes from would be tweaked, and this idea built upon to prevent that. This is a starting point. Quote: from hithere at 9:45 pm on July 22, 2008 you can "really" help out people and be simply doing it for the badge....a third party can't judge the member's intent any better than a moderator can... Yes you can. I've done it before. FP Just Waiting Here Posted at 8:45 pm on July 22, 2008 It makes sense, and I can see it working... but I just think back to when I started out, and I wonder if anyone would have known me or whether they would have vouched for me.  I suppose after a point, I may have been able to, but I just wonder how long it may have taken... But then again, like you said, that gets you the people that really WANT to be an SL, and not just have the status. fullmooncurse Posted at 8:45 pm on July 22, 2008 What about the people who already have Support Leader Status? Most recent 15 of 22 previous replies displayed.