Quoting Post Archived Topic: It will not be bumped to the top of the forum. Topic bras and breast cancer: since many girls seem to be unaware Membername   Not a member? Sign Up Free (takes 20 seconds) Password   Forgotten your password? Post Font: Verdana Arial Black Georgia Comic Sans Impact   Size: Tiny Normal Big Huge   Color: Default Dark Red Red Orange Brown Green Olive Cyan Blue Dark Blue Indigo Black [ Check Spelling ] [ Post Preview ] [ LiveTags ] Quote: from [m]clavicle[/m] at 11:15 pm on July 5, 2009[quote]Quote: from [m]DaisyMontana[/m] at 2:13 am on July 6, 2009[quote]thanks[/quote] you are welcome! finally someone who appreciates me trying to keep you women healthy. you could take a tip, people. stop trying to be funny with your lame replies.[/quote] FAQ Keyword Search: Post Options Favorites Manager Notify me of new replies to this topic by email Notify me of new replies to this topic by private message Original Post clavicle Posted at 11:11 pm on July 5, 2009 here's a few pieces of literature you may want to read. http://www.all-natural.com/bras.html http://health2us.com/bra.htm http://www.007b.com/bras_breast_cancer.php remember your mammograms, bitches!

Replies ZenaGirl Posted at 9:35 am on July 8, 2009 Quote: from Day Old Blues at 11:20 am on July 8, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 3:30 am on July 8, 2009 Not just detection rates- but death rate too. umm yes maybe because they would still have died from breast cancer in the past, nowadays however their death is actually classified as that , not just an unidentified cause. Actually breast cancer which is advanced enough to cause death is easily detectable even by primitive means. The effected breast becomes dimpled and distorted with a palpable mass inside and the adjacent armpit is swollen with metastasis. These observations were noted in medical literature hundreds of years ago. Day Old Blues Posted at 8:20 am on July 8, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 3:30 am on July 8, 2009 Not just detection rates- but death rate too. umm yes maybe because they would still have died from breast cancer in the past, nowadays however their death is actually classified as that , not just an unidentified cause. but you are clearly not gonna back down lololol ZenaGirl Posted at 7:30 pm on July 7, 2009 Not just detection rates- but death rate too. But one thing we do agree on is it's terribly tiring arguing this with you.  As you know we have been through all this before in another tread just a few weeks ago. You had your say then but here you are again with your condescending air of pompous superiority and your same old retorts. Well rest assured "The Samsoniteman" that I have your screenname and next time I want your input I'll send you a PM. The Samsoniteman Posted at 3:47 pm on July 7, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 2:23 am on July 7, 2009 That is so ridiculous. There are obvious reasons people in nursing home tend to die- they are old or sick! That's why they are in nursing homes in the first place! There is no such confounding corollary with bras. There are obvious reasons why breast cancer rates have risen dramatically in the past 100 years. More effective detection and classification of cancers. You don't have to invent stories about how bras somehow impede lymph flow. It's incredibly tiring talking about this with you so I will finish with this: if you are interested in going into public health, go for it, I'm sure you will do well as you seem to be a very caring person. However don't let yourself be blinded by your personal beliefs. Health is all about science, for the benefit of your patients you have to rely on science and not your politics. ZenaGirl Posted at 8:15 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Narfled the Garthok at 9:51 pm on July 6, 2009 Do you wear a bra? No, I live in a beach resort area where people are not fussy about dress. When I need to be discreet I wear a camisole which provides coverage without binding. Narfled the Garthok Posted at 6:51 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 6:23 pm on July 6, 2009 That is so ridiculous. There are obvious reasons people in nursing home tend to die- they are old or sick! That's why they are in nursing homes in the first place! There is no such confounding corollary with bras.   Do you wear a bra? ZenaGirl Posted at 6:23 pm on July 6, 2009 That is so ridiculous.  There are obvious reasons people in nursing home tend to die- they are old or sick!  That's why they are in nursing homes in the first place!  There is no such confounding corollary with bras. The Samsoniteman Posted at 6:16 pm on July 6, 2009 You could also observe that a lot more people die in nursing homes compared with nurseries. You could argue, using the same interview techniques used by those authors, that indeed it's true that this link exists and it is a very strong one. Hardly anyone comes out of nursing homes alive! Conclusion: shut down all the nursing homes and put the patients in nurseries where their care will be astronomically better. --- You could also do proper studies, such as the ones used in the 50s on tobacco. You could do a retrospective cohort study, your complaint that "it takes too long" is not true. ZenaGirl Posted at 6:06 pm on July 6, 2009 Are there case controlled studies? No- with carcinogenesis- it takes too long to do controlled studies- but demographic corollaries are evidence too. If you observed that people who cross the street with their eyes closed get run over more often- that's evidence.   The Samsoniteman Posted at 6:00 pm on July 6, 2009 If I had been around then I would have seen the studies that demonstrated a strong link and I would have understand, at least very basically, the science of the theory. All I am saying is that there is no evidence, and it is dishonest to say "there is evidence". I am trained to help people make the right health choices, I am not here to push my own ideologies. Sorry if that offends you. ZenaGirl Posted at 5:54 pm on July 6, 2009 Oh I figured it was about time for you to show up.  You have your own axe to grind. As for comparison with tobacco- the bra-cancer link is where tobacco was some 50 years ago when suspicions were just forming- before formal studies or significant publicity. And I'm sure that if you had been around then you would have been poohing that speculation as well. Every item on the EPA carcinogen list had people who insisted it was harmless. The Samsoniteman Posted at 5:09 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 9:23 pm on July 6, 2009 Not yet, it will take more research and overcoming enormous resistance from the lingerie industry before this happens. Look how long it took for such labeling of cigarettes. Again I'd really like some evidence that the lingerie industry is surpressing studies. It's pretty obvious why you choose to believe in these things about clothes. But please, keep your religion out of Teen Health, Hygiene & Fitness. This is a place where people use science to help people. What you are doing is inventing things that fit with your personal dogma about clothes and it uneccessarily scares people. The Samsoniteman Posted at 5:04 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 9:16 pm on July 6, 2009 Every cancer link begins when someone notices a casual association between a substance or activity and cancer. When the rate of lung cancer began soaring in the twentieth century researchers became curious why- what had changed in the recent history to cause this sudden jump? In this case it was the popularity of smoking. Even so- for many years skeptics ridiculed this association and some still do even now when the evidence is undeniable. Well breast cancer has also skyrocketed in the twentieth century- and curiously this happen only in advanced countries where bra wearing became fashionable. Singer and Grismaijer began wondering about this and began conducting interviews with breast cancer victims and found nearly all were heavy bra wearers. But the lingerie industry is a billion dollar mammoth who will fight any such suggestion just as smokers and the tobacco industry denied any smoking-cancer link for decades. Indeed. Except the first studies linking cancer and smoking were real studies, and they had real science behind them. No matter how many times you bring up the tobacco smoking saga it still doesn't change the fact that there is no link. At all. So if I see people on the internet, or anywhere else, scaring people by saying there is I will shoot them down. ZenaGirl Posted at 1:39 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Narfled the Garthok at 4:35 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 1:33 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Narfled the Garthok at 4:25 pm on July 6, 2009 Does wearing underwear which supports my testicles cause testicular cancer? Ah- interesting that you should mention this- there is speculation that it may- it has long been known that boys with undesended testicles (cryptorchidism) are at great risk of testicular cancer.  It is believed that heat accelerates meiosis(cell division) in glands like testicles and breasts- which can become out of control and turn into cancer. Ok I am not listening to you anymore. There are tribes that still exist that will work out for you. Sure- close your eyes and ears and mind.  That's always helpful. Narfled the Garthok Posted at 1:35 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from ZenaGirl at 1:33 pm on July 6, 2009 Quote: from Narfled the Garthok at 4:25 pm on July 6, 2009 Does wearing underwear which supports my testicles cause testicular cancer? Ah- interesting that you should mention this- there is speculation that it may- it has long been known that boys with undesended testicles (cryptorchidism) are at great risk of testicular cancer. It is believed that heat accelerates meiosis(cell division) in glands like testicles and breasts- which can become out of control and turn into cancer. Ok I am not listening to you anymore. There are tribes that still exist that will work out for you. Most recent 15 of 79 previous replies displayed.