-- Posted by duesxmachina at 4:56 pm on June 29, 2008 I've been medicated in one form or another since the 7th grade (i am 19 now). if that doesn't say something bad, you must be brain damaged. i've been given adhd, bipolar disorder, and (drumroll please) personality disorder. and i can't even buy alcohal yet! being on lithium, the ultimate drug of drugs, im deciding to take matters in my own hands. im slowly getting off it because i don't feel feelings anymore, and feelings tend to lead you in life. im going nowwhere cause i feel nothing. what does this say about america today? i want to know what right someone has to completely reconfigure your emotions for you? especially if your only 12? what else is there to do? im pissed. -- Posted by silverbullets at 4:59 pm on June 29, 2008 i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game. -- Posted by Cunning Stunt at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know. Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders... -- Posted by xobsessedx at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Only you can decide what is right for you.  If your life is fuller without medication, especially if you won't be a threat to yourself or other, you should take yourself off it. You also may want to get a second, third, or fourth opinion.  Don't just listen to one psychiatrist.  Maybe a different doctor would give you a smaller dose or a different medication.  Maybe that would help. Best of luck, darling.  PM me anytime.  :) -- Posted by Cunning Stunt at 5:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008 i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game. There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess. -- Posted by duesxmachina at 5:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know. Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders... rar! when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me! -- Posted by Cunning Stunt at 5:09 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.    Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders... rar! when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me! Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend. As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards? -- Posted by carracer at 5:11 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008 i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game. There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess. diagnostic is one story actually CURING someone is a completely different story when they give meds it is a guessing game -- Posted by duesxmachina at 5:12 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:09 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.   Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...    rar!    when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me! Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend. As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards? because so much of what was wrong with me when i was given anti depressents (and more) was situational. same with millions of other americans. its in books, in the news. -- Posted by iconoclast at 7:36 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 8:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know. Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders... never mind that these 'disorders' are arbitrary constructs also, i find it arrogant to say that someone knows 'much' better for someone than they do for themself. thats just not how 'help' works. how can someone, by virtue of a piece of paper, decide that someone should have little to no emotions? anyway, OP, psychiatrists, especially those in hospitals/prisons tend to 'find' pathological behavior especially if they need to rationalize something and cant simply admit that you may see things differently then them. once you have one disorder, theres a tendency for them to hit you with more, because even normal behaviors can become 'pathological' if they think you have 'problems' nobody has the moral right to reconfigure your emotions for you, and id say it doesnt even really help, but this is the way they shut people up these days. it was witch burnings 400 years ago, now it is psychiatry id avoid psychiatrists like the plague if I were you, that is if you're able to get out of the system. once youre in, it follows you fucking EVERYWHERE -- Posted by iconoclast at 7:38 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from silverbullets at 7:59 pm on June 29, 2008 i think they are not compleatly right, like they may be able to recognize things you cant about your behaviors, but when diagnosing you, its just a guessing game. There is a diagnostic book that has the symptoms of every disorder known to the medical world. It's not just a guess. motorhead, there is a difference between a legitimate medical condition and a group of behaviors arbitrarily grouped based on what generally tends to occur together, or is thought to. Also, these 'groupings' completely ignore the reason, so many times there is assumed to be none. The DSM IV is total bullshit, its not a real medical book -- Posted by iconoclast at 7:39 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 8:09 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.   Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...    rar!    when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me! Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend. As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards? yes, being dulled into oblivion is worse than being miserable, because there is little to no potential for improvement. yes, it improves productivity and shallow 'friendships'. and this is what most people think is 'improvement'. but cmon thats bullshit dude -- Posted by duesxmachina at 10:59 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:36 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 8:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.    Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders... never mind that these 'disorders' are arbitrary constructs also, i find it arrogant to say that someone knows 'much' better for someone than they do for themself. thats just not how 'help' works. how can someone, by virtue of a piece of paper, decide that someone should have little to no emotions?   anyway, OP, psychiatrists, especially those in hospitals/prisons tend to 'find' pathological behavior especially if they need to rationalize something and cant simply admit that you may see things differently then them. once you have one disorder, theres a tendency for them to hit you with more, because even normal behaviors can become 'pathological' if they think you have 'problems' nobody has the moral right to reconfigure your emotions for you, and id say it doesnt even really help, but this is the way they shut people up these days. it was witch burnings 400 years ago, now it is psychiatry id avoid psychiatrists like the plague if I were you, that is if you're able to get out of the system. once youre in, it follows you fucking EVERYWHERE wow your so right. 100%. because if it wasn't one thing, it was another. a friend of my mom's was talking about medication he was on, an antidepressent and it made him feel hopeless and tired! im getting really pissed off at you motorhead, i want you to experience what i feel everyday. if you felt it for as long as i did, you would LOVE to be a crack dealer, or a diabetic, or anything but this! -- Posted by duesxmachina at 11:01 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:39 am on June 30, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 8:09 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 8:01 pm on June 29, 2008 Quote: from motorhead at 5:00 pm on June 29, 2008 Yeah! Stick it to the man and get off your meds and completely disregard the advice of someone who knows MUCH better than you could ever hope to know.       Not being able to buy alcohol* is completely irrelevant. You're going to be extremely fucked up if you have all three of those disorders...   rar!   when you wake up every day is exactly the same and you have no emotions or gut feelings OR libido for that matter, well don't come messaging me!    Is it worse than being a miserable fuck that everyone doesn't want to be associated with? I know someone who's bipolar and personality disorder and she can't keep a friend.    As for what does it say about America.... how is it a statement about America's standards? yes, being dulled into oblivion is worse than being miserable, because there is little to no potential for improvement. yes, it improves productivity and shallow 'friendships'. and this is what most people think is 'improvement'. but cmon thats bullshit dude wow your my best friend thats EXACTLY how i feel! im molded into what a book says i should be, vs. how i feel and have lived for most of my life. granted, some of my choices have been bad, but it all started with anxiety, and that's nothing compared to how i feel now! -- Posted by iconoclast at 1:41 pm on June 30, 2008 exactly, you need to make some bad choices and screw up in order to improve, modern society seems to have some kind of pathological aversion to people making mistakes... -- Posted by Daleacus at 3:25 pm on July 1, 2008 I'd do exactly what you're doing. At least you can if necessary go back on the drugs. I'm aware that they are prescribed for a reason,  and although the diagnosis may be correct, your treatment - the key part - apparently isn't doing you any favours. I'd also let a doctor know, though, that you're trying this. -- Posted by iconoclast at 12:58 pm on July 2, 2008 Depends on the doctor I'd say...some don't respect your right to do what you want with your own brain and will freak out about you going off the drugs. -- Posted by duesxmachina at 2:41 pm on July 2, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 12:58 pm on July 2, 2008 Depends on the doctor I'd say...some don't respect your right to do what you want with your own brain and will freak out about you going off the drugs. yeah that's how most of my life hs been but im 19, an adult, and i can choose what goes into my bloodstream. -- Posted by HellHound at 4:26 pm on July 2, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 4:56 pm on June 29, 2008 I've been medicated in one form or another since the 7th grade (i am 19 now). if that doesn't say something bad, you must be brain damaged. i've been given adhd, bipolar disorder, and (drumroll please) personality disorder. and i can't even buy alcohal yet! being on lithium, the ultimate drug of drugs, im deciding to take matters in my own hands. im slowly getting off it because i don't feel feelings anymore, and feelings tend to lead you in life. im going nowwhere cause i feel nothing. what does this say about america today? i want to know what right someone has to completely reconfigure your emotions for you? especially if your only 12? what else is there to do? im pissed. I'm having someone to try to teach me emotions properly. I have schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorder and a good amount of narcissism (not a personality disorder as I have minimal flexiblity with it but not much). Due to this, one of the symptoms I have is flat affect, no emotional responses. I'm not a huge fan of psychiatrists as they seem almost convinced that they can "see" what is wrong with you, as though you're a book or a piece of meat. They also are quite convinced that they can "fix" whatever is wrong by a simple pill; too many times these little pills (i.e. anti-psychotics) have put me more into the shit than I already was before. You can try to let the doctor know that you're going off the medications. Depending on the doctor, they may try to help you along with this or would rather have you stay on it. -- Posted by iconoclast at 5:16 pm on July 2, 2008 Yeah hellhound, anyone who thinks they can never be wrong and has a huge amount of control over you is pretty dangerous. -- Posted by HellHound at 5:19 pm on July 2, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:16 pm on July 2, 2008 Yeah hellhound, anyone who thinks they can never be wrong and has a huge amount of control over you is pretty dangerous. QFT -- Posted by iconoclast at 5:22 pm on July 2, 2008 Anyway, I could be diagnosed 'schizophrenic' by most psychiatrists due to heightened hearing and strange feelings of accompanyment at night, probably due to some subconscious damage, but I'm completely emotionally stable with full function. I also have total control of myself. Yet, I'd probably be associated with a complete nutjob. These idiots have a tendency to overreact to basic descriptions of 'symptoms' instead of not being a moron and analyzing the situation in context. -- Posted by iconoclast at 5:26 pm on July 2, 2008 Strangely, I also get 'narcissism', even though I have a logical rationale for thinking most of my attributes to be better than those of most people. Psychiatrists pathologize this regardless of whether this is true. Same with 'antisocial' shit; I commonly disregard social norms because I believe them to be bullshit, not because I can't socialize. It's amazing how much crap a stable, intelligent person can get 'diagnosed' with based on the opinion of some twat. -- Posted by duesxmachina at 6:35 pm on July 2, 2008 Quote: from HellHound at 4:26 pm on July 2, 2008 Quote: from duesxmachina at 4:56 pm on June 29, 2008 I've been medicated in one form or another since the 7th grade (i am 19 now). if that doesn't say something bad, you must be brain damaged. i've been given adhd, bipolar disorder, and (drumroll please) personality disorder. and i can't even buy alcohal yet!    being on lithium, the ultimate drug of drugs, im deciding to take matters in my own hands. im slowly getting off it because i don't feel feelings anymore, and feelings tend to lead you in life. im going nowwhere cause i feel nothing.    what does this say about america today? i want to know what right someone has to completely reconfigure your emotions for you? especially if your only 12? what else is there to do? im pissed. I'm having someone to try to teach me emotions properly. I have schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorder and a good amount of narcissism (not a personality disorder as I have minimal flexiblity with it but not much). Due to this, one of the symptoms I have is flat affect, no emotional responses.   I'm not a huge fan of psychiatrists as they seem almost convinced that they can "see" what is wrong with you, as though you're a book or a piece of meat. They also are quite convinced that they can "fix" whatever is wrong by a simple pill; too many times these little pills (i.e. anti-psychotics) have put me more into the shit than I already was before.   You can try to let the doctor know that you're going off the medications. Depending on the doctor, they may try to help you along with this or would rather have you stay on it. antisocial doesn't that mean you have no conscious? that must rock. i mean im half joking,but you could get away with a lot. oh anyways, i think "judge not lest you be judged" is a good quote for this. psychiatrists look to their version of the bible for all their answers, to things that just plain aren't right. ever since i've been involved in psycho bullshit, i've completely lost any sense of self. im now looking for natural remedies.