Pages: 1 2 3 4 5  Next -- Posted by Briley 07 at 6:50 pm on July 16, 2008 If you are not interested in the support side of LW then don't bother posting in this thread. I think as every member knows, change is needed, and now. People who need help aren't getting it, and people who help, don't always give help and just use hand over 10 replies for a status to look pretty and remove posts. We need change, now. This is was a support site, lets turn it back into one. David, if you read this(which I doubt). The support in LiveWire has dropped dramatically and LiveWire is going downhill. LiveWire will never be dead, it's too popular to die, but the support will easily die. I get the impression that you don't really care about support, you just want a website to make you look good so you get jobs coding other websites. Prove me wrong? ------------------------------------------------------ Change number 1: Splitting up the forums. You see that beautiful thing in the top left corner we have which says Teen:College:Tech? They are the different forum categories, under this change the corner would now look like this: Teen : College : Support :Tech The teen forum would hold crap like poetry, politics, DTRM and other crap which isn't support. College would hold everything it does now, it wouldn't change, as some college problems could not be answered by teens as they would have little experience with college. Support would hold all of the teen support forums. E.g teen eating disorders, teen sexuality, etc. Tech would not change. I believe that this will make it easier to find support and just keep LiveWire cleaner. ------------------------------------------------------ Change 2: Better SL moderating. Many SL's just grab ten replies and apply, they get through and then all they do is enjoy their badge and post removing powers. I propose that every SL is assigned to a mod, kinda the same way that novices get assigned to an SL. This could give the mods a page similar to the novice page, where they could keep track of the number of eHelps replied to, and number of serious forum replies. After a period of time (60-90 days?) the moderator will be prompted to see how well the SL has done over 60 days, if they haven't come up to the mods standard then they can be demoted. This will be done every time period (60-90 days) to make sure the SL's are not abusing powers. ------------------------------------------------------ Change 3: No points gained from DTRM The spammers will hate this, and many people will oppose it due to them getting most of their points there. I believe if people didn't get points for posting in DTRM then they would post there less and more in the other forums, maybe a topic could catch their eye and they could help people, bringing more support, this would also bring down spam. OR If you didn't like that, split up DTRM into The Random Forum and The Spam forum. If someone has a problem or a question that isn't spam, then they could post it in RF, which would still earn them points as it's a valid question. SF would not earn any points and anything goes here apart from serious guidelines (Encouraging harm etc.) this would also not appear in the fresh topics list bringing down spam. ------------------------------------------------------ So what are your thoughts on these changes? Is there anything you can add to improve these ideas. -- Posted by xidontcarex at 6:51 pm on July 16, 2008 I can agree to all of those plans, it seems pretty logical to me. -- Posted by dumbum08 at 6:52 pm on July 16, 2008 I agree -- Posted by LudovicoTechnique at 6:52 pm on July 16, 2008 Wow, a lot of really good ideas. Hopefully you're wrong about David and he reads this and puts some of these ideas into effect. I agree something needs to be done to bring the support back. -- Posted by iBritt at 6:52 pm on July 16, 2008 I like this, and I like your second option about DTRM. It's where I get most of my points... -- Posted by blufindr at 6:53 pm on July 16, 2008 AGREE on all but change 3. I prefer the second option. -- Posted by Red Dragon at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 wow thats actually a great idea -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 I still think we should just be able to select the forums we want fresh topics from -- Posted by HatesYou at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 Completely for them. I think the split of DTRM would suit the site a lot better, rather than banning the random points as whole. -- Posted by cyberpunk at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support. #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. -- Posted by drifting at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 Change number one is needed. Definitely. I think their needs to be a huge over-haul on the SL system to. Im not sure how this happens, but there are some terribly un-supportive members on here that are SLs, and there are some supportive members who arent. It doesnt help those of us who have thought about applying (and have several thousand posts) that the databases have crashed a few times. I mean, Im of average support (more or less) but I havent even bothered in a while, because its a pain in the ass to wade through all the posts. If I only grab posts from the past few weeks, the mods look at it, see that Ive been a member for over a year, then reject me because my posts are all recent. But then, there are members who have been on here for just a few weeks, barely blue bar, and are made SLs. I dont really know how it could be changed, and I think Im just ranting, but it just frustrates me. /rant -- Posted by HatesYou at 6:56 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 9:55 pm on July 16, 2008 I still think we should just be able to select the forums we want fresh topics from You can. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 6:56 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from CyberPunk at 6:55 pm on July 16, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support. #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. volunteering to mod the spam forum -- Posted by Briley 07 at 6:57 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 2:55 am on July 17, 2008 I still think we should just be able to select the forums we want fresh topics from I do as well, I would prefer that, but it's been brushed away before. -- Posted by Red Dragon at 6:58 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from CyberPunk at 8:55 pm on July 16, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support. #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. selfish arent ya   lol -- Posted by Themakingofagod at 6:58 pm on July 16, 2008 I like all the changes, primarily the SL moderating and the support forum.  90% of the posts are about socialization and rarely anymore is there any kind of support post taken seriously.  If someone is actually needing support and they are basically laughed at or made fun of in the support forum, then the post can easily be removed.  If someone is actually dedicated to supporting members, then obviously they will be helping around the support forum, not the teen or college forum. -- Posted by Briley 07 at 6:59 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from CyberPunk at 2:55 am on July 17, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support. #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. #1 Thats correct, but it'd be a hell of a lot easier to find support. #2 A large number of unhelpful SL's would be demoted, thats the idea. #3 No one would, but it would stop a lot of the crap coming through here. -- Posted by cyberpunk at 6:59 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Red Dragon at 8:58 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from CyberPunk at 8:55 pm on July 16, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support.    #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P    and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. selfish arent ya lol -- Posted by marshmellowman at 6:59 pm on July 16, 2008 Just a point before I analyse this fully tomorrow: Not getting a point for posting in DTRM will deter no semi-serious spammer. Often times they may not care about the points at all, but will do it for fun and seeing other people suffer and annoying them. So I think while it may seem helpful, it will ultimately not do much, and users can easily just spam any of the other forums. -- Posted by Lulu Nobody at 7:00 pm on July 16, 2008 I like the idea specifically about the SLs being put under Mods. Though a little more work for Mods, it may be more beneficial to the members as (hopefully) there would be better SLs after such a time period. The only loophole is that it is possible for a SL to be damn good for that time period and then just slack afterwards. Would it be possible if the SLs could be on constant Mod watch? Or if there was another way to moderate their actions on a periodic basis. Maybe they are watched a random 60 days every year or something? Who knows. Just an idea. -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 7:00 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from HatesYou at 6:56 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 9:55 pm on July 16, 2008 I still think we should just be able to select the forums we want fresh topics from You can. i don't mean between teen college and tech i mean you should be able to select "subforums" if you really want to call them that, as well as having a tab system so you can switch between different types of fresh topics -- Posted by Briley 07 at 7:01 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from marshmellowman at 2:59 am on July 17, 2008 Just a point before I analyse this fully tomorrow: Not getting a point for posting in DTRM will deter no semi-serious spammer. Often times they may not care about the points at all, but will do it for fun and seeing other people suffer and annoying them. So I think while it may seem helpful, it will ultimately not do much, and users can easily just spam any of the other forums. It wouldn't stop everyone, but it would stop some, and some is better then none being stopped. And mods and SL's can simply move/delete the topics in the wrong place. -- Posted by acausedelle at 7:01 pm on July 16, 2008 I agree with all of those... except the no points in the deep thoughts and random musings thing. -- Posted by Bittersweetoxox at 7:01 pm on July 16, 2008 I agree with all of your suggestions. I'm not sure how popular the third one would be, though. -- Posted by Spasty at 7:02 pm on July 16, 2008 Change #1: Change #2: Support is possible through PMs. It would appear that I don't help anyone ever, but I generally just help out through PM. Change #3a: There are problems that just don't really go anywhere but DTRM. Change #3b: -- Posted by Briley 07 at 7:02 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Lulu Nobody at 3:00 am on July 17, 2008 I like the idea specifically about the SLs being put under Mods. Though a little more work for Mods, it may be more beneficial to the members as (hopefully) there would be better SLs after such a time period. The only loophole is that it is possible for a SL to be damn good for that time period and then just slack afterwards. Would it be possible if the SLs could be on constant Mod watch? Or if there was another way to moderate their actions on a periodic basis. Maybe they are watched a random 60 days every year or something? Who knows. Just an idea. The idea would be that everything they do is monitored in a novice page style, every 60-90 days they would be under review. The mods don't do enough now as it is.   -- Posted by Praise the Lard at 7:02 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Briley 07 at 6:57 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Praise the Lard at 2:55 am on July 17, 2008 I still think we should just be able to select the forums we want fresh topics from I do as well, I would prefer that, but it's been brushed away before. that's totally fucking retarded it would be the quickest way of ignoring topics you don't want to see and it wouldn't require a massive fucking overhaul of the entire forum -- Posted by HatesYou at 7:03 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Lulu Nobody at 10:00 pm on July 16, 2008 I like the idea specifically about the SLs being put under Mods. Though a little more work for Mods, it may be more beneficial to the members as (hopefully) there would be better SLs after such a time period. The only loophole is that it is possible for a SL to be damn good for that time period and then just slack afterwards. Would it be possible if the SLs could be on constant Mod watch? Or if there was another way to moderate their actions on a periodic basis. Maybe they are watched a random 60 days every year or something? Who knows. Just an idea. Well i think the idea here is to imply that if you're not going to take the SL position seriously, then do not apply. Keeping them under close watch is probably what's best. This will rule out all the SL's that don't really give a flying fuck about support. -- Posted by cyberpunk at 7:03 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from Briley 07 at 8:59 pm on July 16, 2008 Quote: from CyberPunk at 2:55 am on July 17, 2008 #1 wouldn't really help much. They're just zones, in which everyone asks for advice/support.    #2 would mean I'd probably be demoted =P    and no one would really like #3. A 'spam' forum? wtf. #1 Thats correct, but it'd be a hell of a lot easier to find support. #2 A large number of unhelpful SL's would be demoted, thats the idea. #3 No one would, but it would stop a lot of the crap coming through here. #1 I still don't see the necessity. #2 I get it. I just don't care for it. Some SL's hardly have time to respond to many eHelps. Not everyone's life revolves around LiveWire. They offer advice when they can. #3 Not earning points wouldn't stop spammers. Making a spam forum wouldn't either. I don't see how all the crap coming through here would stop. -- Posted by Human Nature at 7:03 pm on July 16, 2008 I agree Pages: 1 2 3 4 5  Next