Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by August Rush at 9:25 am on Aug. 22, 2008 "One Man's Terrorist Is Another Man's Freedom Fighter" I can't find who said that but what do you think? The war topic got me thinking.. In my opinion War is never a good thing and I don't like how some countries try to cover up the reason for the invasion of IRAQ. Anyone with half a brain can work out its about America trying to take some control of the oil farms in the middle east.. thats simply it, 'terrorists' who attack America are simply trying to tell America to GTFO! I just wanted to se what you guys thought about the quote I used at the start.. Discuss. -- Posted by deaths door14 at 9:27 am on Aug. 22, 2008 yeah i think that makes sense. america is controlling and they are picking on a weaker country. -- Posted by Sachacohen2 at 9:28 am on Aug. 22, 2008 I agree. The media gives a very one sided view, just calling them terrorists. Which they are but never really reasons why they are. America just wants a base in the middle east, so they are a kind of threat to other middle eastern countries and of course the oil. I hate the damn government. -- Posted by HiRyo at 9:29 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Not sure if this is true. But I heard that the American government is being careful what images come out of the Iraq war so nothing happens like that Vietnam war. -- Posted by August Rush at 9:30 am on Aug. 22, 2008 I would go as far as to say George W Bush should be tried for crimes against humanity.. he is no better than corrupt south african dictators.. he is a true terrorist -- Posted by Elm at 9:32 am on Aug. 22, 2008 If it was about the US controlling the oil farms we would have control over the oil farms.  We don't they are the sole discretion of the Iraqi government and we are spending far more money on things like their infrastructure than they are. -- Posted by jamesish at 9:39 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Quote: from August Rush at 12:30 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 I would go as far as to say George W Bush should be tried for crimes against humanity.. he is no better than corrupt south african dictators.. he is a true terrorist Im not sure if I would go that far.  Hes no Saddam or Hitler. -- Posted by swedger at 9:39 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Hasta la victoria siempre -- Posted by August Rush at 9:42 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Quote: from swedger at 5:39 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 Hasta la victoria siempre Forever, Until Victory What would you define as victory? -- Posted by robdude at 9:52 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Quote: from August Rush at 12:30 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 I would go as far as to say George W Bush should be tried for crimes against humanity.. he is no better than corrupt south african dictators.. he is a true terrorist i would say you are illiogical -- Posted by Bitner at 10:13 am on Aug. 22, 2008 Quote: from August Rush at 7:25 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 "One Man's Terrorist Is Another Man's Freedom Fighter" I like this quote, heard it before, not sure who said it, but it makes a whole lot of sense. -- Posted by Assaultrifle at 2:07 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 I agree. The media gives a very one sided view, just calling them terrorists. Which they are but never really reasons why they are. America just wants a base in the middle east, so they are a kind of threat to other middle eastern countries and of course the oil. I hate the damn government. Are you unaware of the definition of a terrorist? A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want. AL-Qaeda and various insurgent groups in Iraq are therefore terrorists because they primarily use suicide bombings and car bombs in civilian areas in order to terrorize entire cities of people. They distribute sick, terrible propaganda such as videos of non-muslims being executed with AKs and also videos of people getting their heads sawed off with knives, in order to instill fear in people. As for the quote, yeah i suppose the terrorists see themselves as freedom fighters but who cares? They're still just some fucking terrorists -- Posted by GeneCosta at 2:33 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 The point of division is what constitutes terror? Not all insurgents in Iraq targeted civilians; indeed domestic uprisings took on Al Qaeda cells and American troops. Why is it terrorism when an Iraqi insurgent blows up an American humvee, but not Operation Shock and Awe? Or the general show of American force? Are you not trying to influence their thoughts with power? The word terrorist denotes evil, but it serves no real purpose. All sides of a military conflict use terrorism. -- Posted by nigeltheoutlaw at 10:26 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 It is true. -- Posted by daveythewavey19 at 1:00 pm on Aug. 24, 2008 NO. Killing 3,000 civilians on 9/11 is not 'freedom fighting', it's just terrorism. -- Posted by penguincube at 1:13 pm on Aug. 24, 2008 Of course this statement is true.  But it doesn't mean that the "other man" is right. -- Posted by clomb at 2:00 pm on Aug. 24, 2008 In the case of Islamic terrorism is not strictly true; even the terrorists themselves wouldn't consider themselves freedom fighters. Their intent (to generalise somewhat) is to create a controlling, quite unfree global Islamic society. They aren't really interested in empowering/freeing anyone. The general point is correct of course, we get very used to looking at things on one way only and it would be more helpful to at least try and understand why many people consider the 11th September bombers heroes, even if the idea is repellent. -- Posted by SocialistLeader at 1:05 am on Aug. 25, 2008 Freedom fighters could be considered Farc Ep even though the hostages and even the Kurdish Workers Party or the PKK. But Al Queda thats nuts they are ruthless murderers. -- Posted by lsd at 9:50 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 I don't think how that saying has any real meaning at all.  I doubt life for the average american was really any "freer" after the revolution then it was if George Washington was captured and hung by the british for his treason. -- Posted by willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist. -- Posted by lsd at 11:32 am on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist. no we didn't. -- Posted by August Rush at 11:45 am on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from lsd at 7:32 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist. no we didn't. lol, oh yes you did! -- Posted by lsd at 12:37 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from August Rush at 11:45 am on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from lsd at 7:32 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.    no we didn't. lol, oh yes you did! provide a link -- Posted by GeneCosta at 5:15 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Al-Crazies didn't form until 1988. It would be incorrect to say we funded them (although allegations do exist), but you're thinking about "Operation Cyclone" which funded radical elements in Afghanistan in the early 1980s.   -- Posted by dragonking at 5:22 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 I made a topic relating to this.  It's true.  George Washington and the other founding fathers were terrorists... to the British.  They were/are freedom fighters to Americans. -- Posted by willz at 10:23 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from lsd at 7:37 am on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from August Rush at 11:45 am on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from lsd at 7:32 pm on Aug. 26, 2008 Quote: from willz at 11:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2008 America backed, and supplied Al Queda and Osama when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he was viewed as a "freedom fighter". Now that he's tuned his attention to the USA he's a terrorist.   no we didn't.    lol, oh yes you did! provide a link Here you go... http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm" target="_top">http://http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden" target="_top">http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden Not conclusive proof, but things like this are almost impossible to prove. -- Posted by lsd at 12:22 am on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from willz at 10:23 pm on Aug. 26, 2008     Here you go...   http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm" target="_top">http://http://archive.capecodonline.com/special/terror/binladen17b.htm   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden" target="_top">http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden   Not conclusive proof, but things like this are almost impossible to prove. 1. Your first link doesn't cite any sources and is wrong by most contemporary accounts. Your second link actually says that there was no direct connection between the Arab Afghans and the United States. 2. The US (and Iran) both backed what became known as the Northern Alliance, native Afghans fighting against the Soviet occupation. The Taliban were a creation of the Pakistani intelligence who allied with Arab and Pakistani fundamentalist islamists. The group that was to become the Taliban were led by Mullah Omar and would be an ally to Osama bin Laden. These two sides, the native Islamist Afghans and Arab Afghans were both fiercely anti American and received aid from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The Northern Alliance was a hodgepodge of Afghan ethnic groups and it's ideology was rooted in nationalism more than Islamism. They were led by Ahmed Shah Massoud with support from the US and Iran. Yes, these two groups sided with each other during the Soviet occupation, but let's not forget that the forces of communist Mao and western-leaning Shang Kai Shek put their civil war on hold to fight Japanese occupation. Massoud was pro-American whereas Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden were always anti American. Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri also both categorically deny receiving any aid from the United States. It was the nationalist Afghanis that we funneled money to, the Islamists were allied with the ISS and Arab countries. -- Posted by Mabzie at 12:40 am on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Assaultrifle at 5:07 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 [ A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want.   U.S. Government? What? -- Posted by whoisabs at 1:41 am on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Assaultrifle at 2:07 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 I agree. The media gives a very one sided view, just calling them terrorists. Which they are but never really reasons why they are. America just wants a base in the middle east, so they are a kind of threat to other middle eastern countries and of course the oil. I hate the damn government. Are you unaware of the definition of a terrorist? A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want. AL-Qaeda and various insurgent groups in Iraq are therefore terrorists because they primarily use suicide bombings and car bombs in civilian areas in order to terrorize entire cities of people. They distribute sick, terrible propaganda such as videos of non-muslims being executed with AKs and also videos of people getting their heads sawed off with knives, in order to instill fear in people. As for the quote, yeah i suppose the terrorists see themselves as freedom fighters but who cares? They're still just some fucking terrorists   Kind of like when the American government targeted the citizens of Iraq and attempted to starve them out with illegal sanctions? -- Posted by Vordhosbn at 3:19 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Quote: from Mabzie at 12:40 am on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Assaultrifle at 5:07 pm on Aug. 22, 2008 [ A terrorist is someone who primarily uses terror, especially on civilians, in order to scare and pressure a group of people into giving them what they want.         U.S. Government? What? heh. you read my mind. Pages: 1 2  Next