-- Posted by The Last Magister at 7:18 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 But whether they like it or not, there is a good chance without the Catholic Church Athiesm as we know it today might not have even existed. Primarily, in the Medieval Ages Charlemagne made a series of schools which did help with general intelligence but the Church later funded larger schools for the best scholars to gather at; universities, and since they were privately owned, the Universities had the freedom to develop philosiphy as they wished. While athiesm didn't spring out instantly from this, this started the chain reaction to freedom of religion(or lack there of) and you owe it to the religious entity you hate most. I'm not even Catholic, but I find this ironic and comical. -- Posted by Neugen at 7:20 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Teenagers hardly understand what it means to be Atheist, Catholic, or the like. IT'S SPELLED ATHEIST. -- Posted by nigeltheoutlaw at 7:20 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I think that Atheism sprung up from bad feelings from the Inquisition and oppressive nature of the Church, not its sorry excuses for "schools". -- Posted by The Last Magister at 7:24 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from negligently at 7:20 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I think that Atheism sprung up from bad feelings from the Inquisition and oppressive nature of the Church, not its sorry excuses for "schools". Note I said Atheism as we know it, meaning the logical arguments that reinforce it. By the way, logical arguments regarding theology came from a Dominican monk. -- Posted by Clouse227 at 7:25 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Wherever people perceive tyranny to be rampant, a champion arises to challenge it. Its kinda common for this to happen. -- Posted by The Last Magister at 7:27 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Clouse227 at 7:25 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Wherever people perceive tyranny to be rampant, a champion arises to challenge it. Its kinda common for this to happen. Before schools though no one realized what tyranny was. -- Posted by JeanClaude at 7:28 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Neugen at 10:20 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Teenagers hardly understand what it means to be Atheist, Catholic, or the like. Isn't what is means to be atheist just expanding "not believing in any religion but one" to "not believing in any religions at all"   ? -- Posted by Clouse227 at 7:50 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:27 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from Clouse227 at 7:25 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Wherever people perceive tyranny to be rampant, a champion arises to challenge it. Its kinda common for this to happen. Before schools though no one realized what tyranny was. Ill admit, being able to give an action a word or conceptual meaning, does make it easier to think of and act on. Still, people, on the most base level can separate emotions into simply good and bad. -- Posted by nigeltheoutlaw at 8:18 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:24 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from negligently at 7:20 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I think that Atheism sprung up from bad feelings from the Inquisition and oppressive nature of the Church, not its sorry excuses for "schools". Note I said Atheism as we know it, meaning the logical arguments that reinforce it. By the way, logical arguments regarding theology came from a Dominican monk. Doesn't change my thoughts. It doesn't even really affect them. -- Posted by Takinam at 11:22 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:18 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 But whether they like it or not, there is a good chance without the Catholic Church Athiesm as we know it today might not have even existed. Primarily, in the Medieval Ages Charlemagne made a series of schools which did help with general intelligence but the Church later funded larger schools for the best scholars to gather at; universities, and since they were privately owned, the Universities had the freedom to develop philosiphy as they wished. While athiesm didn't spring out instantly from this, this started the chain reaction to freedom of religion(or lack there of) and you owe it to the religious entity you hate most.   I'm not even Catholic, but I find this ironic and comical. Atheism has always existed. It existed well before Catholicism and will exist well after it. -- Posted by Neugen at 9:08 pm on Aug. 29, 2008 Atheism is knowing, absolutely positively, that there is no god.  If you are not 100% sure that there is no god, then the farthest you can go is being agnostic. -- Posted by Alabamarama at 6:23 am on Aug. 30, 2008 I have to say that this is pretty ridiculous. First of all, atheists who hate religion may be the loudest when it comes to expressing their lack of belief, but I highly doubt that the majority of atheists hate religion, much less solely the Catholic Church. Second, from the fact that the Church had an influence on Atheism it does not follow that without that influence Atheism wouldn't exist. There were people who could think for themselves, even then. -- Posted by Hoop Jargon at 2:37 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from Neugen at 2:20 pm on Aug. 28, 2008 IT'S SPELLED ATHEIST. Quote: from TheLastMagister at 2:18 pm on Aug. 28, 2008 I find this ironic and comical. -- Posted by iinsurgent at 2:57 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from Neugen at 9:08 pm on Aug. 29, 2008 Atheism is knowing, absolutely positively, that there is no god. If you are not 100% sure that there is no god, then the farthest you can go is being agnostic. It is more ambiguous than that, actually. Most broad definition being the lack of a belief in god(s). -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 5:40 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from Neugen at 12:08 am on Aug. 30, 2008 Atheism is knowing, absolutely positively, that there is no god. If you are not 100% sure that there is no god, then the farthest you can go is being agnostic. Not really. What you're describing is "hard" or "positive" atheism. Atheism itself is simply the disbelief in a deity. That's it. You can be an atheistic agnostic, you can be a "soft" atheist ("I disbelieve in the existence of a deity" rather than "there is no God"), etc. All are entirely valid forms of atheism. -- Posted by Blackadder at 5:29 pm on Sep. 7, 2008 Bah! this is stupid! As a certified LiveWire Intellectual you are indubitably capable of composing a more verbose post! As a certified LiveWire Intellectual you are indubitably capable of composing a more verbose post! As a certified LiveWire Intellectual you are indubitably capable of composing a more verbose post! As a certified LiveWire Intellectual you are indubitably capable of composing a more verbose post! -- Posted by sadnessness at 11:32 am on Oct. 9, 2008 I am an athiest and i dont hate the catholic church. I agree with some of its moral standings in fact, i just do not accept that there is some pulsating white cloud somewhere in another dimension that loves me as a daughter and wants to whisk away to heaven.