-- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:22 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I thought I would make a Karl Marx thread. Yes hes one of my greatest heroes.  He made the world a diffrent place much like the founding fathers of the United States did.  I thought we could have some Marx discussions here due to the forum is Philosophy. -- Posted by Elite Taste at 11:24 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Aw man this brings back very boring memories of history class lol -- Posted by MakingaDifference001 at 11:24 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I disagree. -- Posted by cettemoi at 11:26 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 i know alot about him...he was born in trier near the river moselle in germany,on may 5 1818...and died in 1883...wanna know more.... -- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:26 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I think America as Capitalist as she is could learn somthing from Marx. Im not saying America should abandon Capitalism. Yet she should even herself out. -- Posted by ibanez at 11:26 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 the constant conflict between the beugeiouse and proleteriats.... -- Posted by Elite Taste at 11:27 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from cettemoi at 2:26 am on Aug. 28, 2008 i know alot about him...he was born in trier near the river moselle in germany,on may 5 1818...and died in 1883...wanna know more.... haha you wikipedia'd that -- Posted by DayXTripper at 11:27 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Communism is slavery. -- Posted by Jadien at 11:28 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 -- Posted by cettemoi at 11:28 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 he married in 1843 at kreuznach  a childhood friend -- Posted by the5e at 11:29 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 unfortunatley here threads last around 4 minutes... if you're lucky -- Posted by whips handcuffs at 11:29 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 wow that's ridiculous. people died and lived in poverty because of him and his bullshit ideas, and this makes him a hero because?... -- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:30 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 How is Communism slavery? Protecting the workers the basis for all civilization is slavery? Protecting the Citizens is slavery? Over time Communism has been severely distorted hasnt Capitalism though? How many citizens have died from Capitalisms results. im sure just as many. -- Posted by aryaneva at 11:30 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 I think marx was pretty damn sweet -- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:31 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 People died in Poverty because of Marx I think you need to look up your facts my friend. People also died in Poverty because of George Washington. Marx was genuinely a good person no matter how bad you discredit him. -- Posted by DayXTripper at 11:34 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Read "Brave New World" By Aldous Huxley. A communistic society doesn't allow people freedoms, therefore - in simple terms - slavery. -- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:38 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 What freedoms are in Capitalist society the freedom to work yourself to death the freedom to be exploited? How about the freedom to exploit the third world? Slavery? What is slavery so wage Slaverys Ok. Yet a society thats beyond this is bad? A Brave New World?  Im guessing you view this as a one sided argument? -- Posted by DayXTripper at 11:46 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 Quote: from SocialistHero at 11:38 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 What freedoms are in Capitalist society the freedom to work yourself to death the freedom to be exploited? How about the freedom to exploit the third world?   Slavery? What is slavery so wage Slaverys Ok. Yet a society thats beyond this is bad? A Brave New World? Im guessing you view this as a one sided argument? Yes, capitalism allows someone the freedom to gain greater wealth or social status. Communism doesn't allow you the freedom to attain wealth greater than that of the poorest person, pretty shitty if you ask me. A person that is able to engineer nuclear weapons or power, should be paid more than the person mowing my lawn. Not sure what you meant by one sided argument. , -- Posted by SocialistHero at 11:48 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 So your considered above them? You think you deserve better health care and education than someone because they are considered below you? -- Posted by DayXTripper at 7:52 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Yes. If I choose to go to school and get a good job and work hard at it, then i deserve to have a better life than the homeless man downtown. -- Posted by clomb at 10:59 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Quote: from DayXTripper at 7:52 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Yes. If I choose to go to school and get a good job and work hard at it, then i deserve to have a better life than the homeless man downtown. Thats a pretty optimistic view of capitalism-theres a fair chance homeless man downtown did all those things as well. Going to school and working hard don't equal succes. -- Posted by dragonking at 11:09 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Quote: from DayXTripper at 2:27 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Communism is slavery. Capitalism is slavery actually... I am all for socialism but not how Marx was against religions.  I am a Christian and being one see from a Biblical perspective how capitalism goes against the Lord, and people.  Also, many things in my life and from what goes on in the world shows me even more that capitalism is evil and needs to be replaced with true socialism. -- Posted by InsaneBlue at 11:48 am on Aug. 28, 2008 Quote: from SocialistHero at 11:31 pm on Aug. 27, 2008 People died in Poverty because of Marx I think you need to look up your facts my friend. People also died in Poverty because of George Washington. Marx was genuinely a good person no matter how bad you discredit him. He was a genuinely good person but his philosophy was very flawed because he somehow failed to apply it to reality. Throw in the natural entropy of anything humans are involved in and communism always comes up short. Quite short. -- Posted by osmoticdespair at 12:00 pm on Aug. 28, 2008 Communism is as crap as any other system. -- Posted by SocialistHero at 2:38 pm on Aug. 28, 2008 Dragonking thanks for backing me up. The fact is that there is so much Propoganda about Communism people look at it bad because yes there were deaths caused by it. At the same time Communism saved lives, educated many and led by the best leaders. Every american sees the unattractive side of this system. They dont want you to see what its like inside Kim Jong's North Korea. They want you to see a scary country led by Mass Murderers.  Many things have gone wrong during North Koreas time. It wasnt because Communism it was the way it waas implemented. I dont think I can stress this as much as I want to. Americans need to use democratic socialism. The keyword here is Democratic meaning your constitution is still alive you have these rights still. This will control Americas poverty and is not as radical of a change as the plain straight Soviet communism. It will make your country a better place, and you can lead it.