Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Crazy snake at 3:32 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Yes, this is my 3rd post about it today, but my search for knoledge on whats happening is almost at an end. What is happening? Particle physists are conducting the largest experiment, using the largest particle accelerator (24km long) ever created on Earth (The Large Hadron Collider). This is the most significant experiment in the history of the planet, as physists are going to send 2 charged particles, around this 24km long machine, at a speed that is 90% the speed of light. These particles will travel the 24km, in under a second, and will (physists hope) collide, to recreate the big bang (controlled), and proove the existence of Higgs boson (AKA, The God Particle), which is the particle which gives mass to everything. Physists are also hoping to perhaps see anti matter, dark matter, strange matter possibly. Perhaps even discover a 5th Dimension. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider When is it happening? This experiment is being carried out next Wednesday, the 10th of September, on the Swiss French border, when the Large Hadron Collider will be switched on. Why is there concern? Some scientists argue, that the particle acceleration under such great speed, is unpredictable, and could lead to the creation of a micro black hole, which may stabilise, and engulf the planet. Others argue that the particles are breaking the electrical field required to produce strange matter, so if it is created, it could also engulf the planet. Some scientists even argue that the machine is powerful enough to destroy not only the planet, but the entire universe.   Has there been court cases? Yes. The European union, though it gave permission, became concerned, stating that the experiment poses a great threat to EU member states, and citizens. Also, some divisions of the American government have objected. In both cases, they were dismissed, and the experiment has been allowed to carry on. So, how will this change the world? 1. If this is a success, humans will have a much greater insight into the creation of the universe, and may discover many new particles, like Higgs Bosson. It may also lead to the creation of more sustainable energy. 2. If this is a failure, Physists all over the world, will have wasted their time, and made citizens angry, due to worry over the possible destruction of the world. The worst case scenario: The world is destroyed, by means of strange matter, becoming stable, and converting the entire world into strange matter.   The world is destroyed by means of a micro black hole stabilisation, leading to a large black hole, causing the planet to implode. The particles do something so unpredicted, a rift is torn in time and space itself, and the universe is destroyed. So this wednesday, is the greatest experiment in the history of the Earth. It cost over €5,000,000,000 to build the 24km long particle accelerator. Whatever happens, the world will change. (Felt like making this to clear all my points in one topic) -- Posted by Riot at 3:33 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Ooh! I read about that on Digg! I can't wait! Maybe something will happen, something interesting and exciting! Please!? -- Posted by Fauna at 3:34 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. either that, or a black screen will drop down with the words "LEVEL TWO" on it. -- Posted by 25924225 at 3:35 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 ooo thats pretty kewl actually 5th demensionnnnn -- Posted by Dissilusioned at 3:36 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Corr, you really like this black hole stuff. -- Posted by Crazy snake at 3:37 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Quote: from dissilusioned at 11:36 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Corr, you really like this black hole stuff. I really can't wait to see what they discover actualy -- Posted by telomere13 at 3:39 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 I'm not that excited.  I mean, it's fine, but I don't think it's particularly practical.  I would venture to guess that the next world-changing innovation will be related to quantum mechanics. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 3:40 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 wow -- Posted by PhoenixFire613 at 3:42 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 I hope that it goes well and that this helps with research. -- Posted by Pebbles123 at 3:44 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Why are they doing it if it could kill everyone? :S -- Posted by Arcarius at 3:45 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Quote: from Pebbles123 at 6:44 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Why are they doing it if it could kill everyone? :S Because you don't know until you try? -- Posted by Nimzo at 7:50 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 I wonder if people had the same concerns over the invention of nukes? Its not hard to imagine people being scared of the chain reaction going on for ever and ever and next thing you know...no more universe   -- Posted by KeiraOasis at 10:05 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Lmao. i got my ass online just in time to read this but me care little cause my grads tomorrow. So whatever happens after is sound by me! :D lol. and my course starts on wedensday so if the teacher is brutally induced with a healthy dosage of death like the rest of us, i'll be a happy enough woman. :) But yah... ur physics teacher told us this. Iunno. Id rather live in ignorant bliss of how the world works than kill myself trying to understand it. D: -- Posted by vulcan at 4:19 am on Sep. 5, 2008 You have a few mistakes by the way. The LHC is 27 km long and the protons will travel at 0.999997828 times the speed of light. Each proton goes around the 27km ring over 11 000 times a second. Source: http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/ -- Posted by Event Horizon at 8:12 am on Sep. 5, 2008 Quote: from telomere13 at 3:39 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 I'm not that excited. I mean, it's fine, but I don't think it's particularly practical. I would venture to guess that the next world-changing innovation will be related to quantum mechanics. If they discover the graviton, do you know what kind of a discovery that would be? Do you know how that would pretty much prove M-theory, or at least show us that we are on the right track? Some of the implications of the possible discoveries are mind blowing. I mean, they are not guaranteed, but if the theory is right, it should provide the evidence. The possible positives greatly outweigh the possible negatives. -- Posted by Crazy snake at 10:25 am on Sep. 5, 2008 Quote: from vulcan at 12:19 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 You have a few mistakes by the way. The LHC is 27 km long and the protons will travel at 0.999997828 times the speed of light. Each proton goes around the 27km ring over 11 000 times a second. Source: http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/ Ah pardon me then, I wrote that fairly quick -- Posted by allsmiles at 1:48 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 Quote: from Fauna at 11:34 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.   either that, or a black screen will drop down with the words "LEVEL TWO" on it. You are awesome So is Frankie But you too -- Posted by futurehardhed jarhed at 7:57 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 It's like that easy button commercial what with the change in the space time continuum lol -- Posted by stimmer at 9:10 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 The ignorance of the media on this is astounding. First of all, you can't just turn on an collider at this scale, it has to be warmed up. It won't reach the 7 TeV operation potential until sometime next year, after being shut off for the winter. This is just a test of the machine at energies lower than even the Tevatron and Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, which have both been operation for many year, without creating black holes or strange matter. In fact, the energy level at which these collisions will take place doesn't come close to that which occurs every day in outer space. These collisions haven't shown evidence of micro black holes, so why should the LHC be any different? Even if they were created, it has been shown that it would take months to years for the micro black hole to grow to sufficient magnitude to swallow the planet, another misconception the media portrays. The accelerator isn't trying to "recreate the big bang," all it is doing is taking hadrons, accelerating them, and smashing them together to see what makes them up. It's the same thing as throwing two rocks together to see what's inside, just on a much smaller scale. The reason the the big bang comes up is at the very start, everything was in it's most basic form, then combined to form what we see today. Oh and anti-matter is created every day around the world in laboratories, it's already proven to exist. The exact same scare went on as the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider was being constructed in Upton, New York, which has been smashing since 2000 and proved all doomsday claims false. While yes, it is a weaker collider, it just goes to show that people will make a scare out of whatever they can, and you will never get everyone to believe the same thing in science or otherwise. -- Posted by iconoclast at 9:18 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 Quote: from Fauna at 6:34 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.   either that, or a black screen will drop down with the words "LEVEL TWO" on it. Do I get 72 virgins? -- Posted by Pebbles123 at 9:58 am on Sep. 6, 2008 Quote: from keiraoasis at 10:05 pm on Sep. 4, 2008 Id rather live in ignorant bliss of how the world works than kill myself trying to understand it. D: Same, same. Why do people have to be so damn curious lol. -- Posted by Baram at 10:13 am on Sep. 6, 2008 Quote: from stimmer at 9:10 pm on Sep. 5, 2008 The accelerator isn't trying to "recreate the big bang," all it is doing is taking hadrons, accelerating them, and smashing them together to see what makes them up. It's the same thing as throwing two rocks together to see what's inside, just on a much smaller scale. The reason the the big bang comes up is at the very start, everything was in it's most basic form, then combined to form what we see today. Oh and anti-matter is created every day around the world in laboratories, it's already proven to exist. Yeah, I think all they are doing is trying to prove the existence of a Higgs particle (God particle), which only lasts 1 millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second. Also, about antimatter, not related to this much, but from what I understand is the exact opposite to matter.  So if you were to go into a vacuum and had the equipment to do so, could you basically rip empty space apart into both matter and antimatter? -- Posted by Fauna at 2:29 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:18 am on Sep. 6, 2008 Do I get 72 virgins? no, you get one slag. -- Posted by iconoclast at 2:57 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 Quote: from Fauna at 5:29 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:18 am on Sep. 6, 2008 Do I get 72 virgins? no, you get one slag. isnt that what allah commands is he a boss on level 2 -- Posted by Crazy snake at 4:35 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 The accelerator isn't trying to "recreate the big bang," all it is doing is taking hadrons, accelerating them, and smashing them together to see what makes them up. It's the same thing as throwing two rocks together to see what's inside, just on a much smaller scale. The reason the the big bang comes up is at the very start, everything was in it's most basic form, then combined to form what we see today. Oh and anti-matter is created every day around the world in laboratories, it's already proven to exist. anti matter does exist, I know that. However, they are technically recreating a smaller controled version of the big bang. They're smashing the particles at speeds greater than ever before. And they've already started warming it up. They've tested it with low energy amounts already -- Posted by Fauna at 5:43 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 ^ no they're not, they're trying to recreate the environment AFTER the big bang, to try and find this higgs boson particle. they haven't tested it either, the first beam is on wednesday. look on their website it even says, "LHC first beam"> -- Posted by stimmer at 1:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from Baram at 10:13 am on Sep. 6, 2008 Also, about antimatter, not related to this much, but from what I understand is the exact opposite to matter. So if you were to go into a vacuum and had the equipment to do so, could you basically rip empty space apart into both matter and antimatter? You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something. Quote: from Crazy Snake at 4:35 pm on Sep. 6, 2008 However, they are technically recreating a smaller controled version of the big bang. They're smashing the particles at speeds greater than ever before. And they've already started warming it up. They've tested it with low energy amounts already The big bang is theorized as a point of infinite density and temprature that, for whatever reason, exploded and gave birth to all that exists. THAT was the big bang. All they are doing is accelerating particles, letting them collide and seeing what is inside. What they find never shows itself outside of the composite particles they form, just like there is no such thing as free quarks, they are always together in larger particles. Like fauna said, following the big bang analogy (which I think is a horrible way to think off it, all it does is adds a sense of fear of the experment by having them associate the LHC with an unimaginable explosion) the state of the universe split seconds after the big bang. At this time everything is in it's most basic form, having had no time to combine yet. While yes they have started warming it up, the process of warming it up takes months. They have to cool the entire ring to and temprature of 1.9K. That takes a while. -- Posted by telomere13 at 9:06 am on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from stimmer at 3:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008 You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something. You're completely wrong.  A vacuum is free of matter, but not energy, and energy can be converted into matter/antimatter. -- Posted by Anonymous at 10:08 am on Sep. 7, 2008 This has gotten way more attention than I thought, I didn't know people cared so much. An d the media have it insanely wrong Its very improbable anythings going to happen, and it almost certainly wont. However, if I am going to die on Wednesday, sucked into a black hole is my prefer d choice, so Im good. -- Posted by Crazy snake at 12:52 pm on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from telomere13 at 5:06 pm on Sep. 7, 2008 Quote: from stimmer at 3:54 am on Sep. 7, 2008 You can't "rip" matter into antimatter and matter, normal matter isn't composed of both so it is impossible to seperate it into both. Antimatter is created by high energy reactions and the decay of unstable nuclei. For example, the most prominant way of creating positrons is the beta decay of carbon-11 and a few others. In this process, carbon-11 decays into boron-11, a positron, an electron and a neutrino. Oh and for the record, a vacuum is never perfect and there is no way to have completely empty space. If your question does infact imply that space is a perfect vacuum, there is no way to rip nothing into something. You're completely wrong. 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