-- Posted by The Last Magister at 2:29 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust. They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves? Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before? I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter. -- Posted by King Kong at 2:31 am on Sep. 16, 2008 th only reasin is the hardships and it 'was theres' first -- Posted by Bearsy at 2:36 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I want it back -- Posted by jamesish at 2:36 am on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from King kong at 5:31 am on Sep. 16, 2008 th only reasin is the hardships and it 'was theres' first Its simply confusing "who had it first" to me. -- Posted by cherryD at 2:41 am on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 5:36 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 I want it back You don't have a voice in the matter either. -- Posted by Markusseven77 at 2:45 am on Sep. 16, 2008 What happened with the Jews returning to Israel after WW2 in 1948 and finally establishing themselves once again as a nation after not being a nation for over 2,000 years, was all fulfillment of Bible prophecy. The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They are there again today. Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds." To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead. zekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath." Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth." The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land in or around 1948. Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD." Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day. Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children." The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet. Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..." "... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise." Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south. With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets. Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering". After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted. Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel." There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations. Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land." Jesus pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today. Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day." The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!" Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit." Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." -- Posted by Markusseven77 at 2:55 am on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Markusseven77 at 2:45 am on Sep. 16, 2008 What happened with the Jews returning to Israel after WW2 in 1948 and finally establishing themselves once again as a nation after not being a nation for over 2,000 years, was all fulfillment of Bible prophecy. The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They are there again today. Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds." To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead. zekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath." Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth." The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land in or around 1948. Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD." Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day. Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children." The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet. Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..." "... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise." Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south. With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets. Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering". After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted. Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel." There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations. Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land." Jesus pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today. Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day." The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!" Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit." Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." I might also add to the last part of that, Israel is the 3rd largest producing and exporting nation of agriculture (fruits, vegetables, etc.) Yet look at how small Israel is!! It's no bigger than the size of Rhode Island, but it produces that much fruit. Before the Jews returned to Israel there wasn't a fruit tree or vegetable garden in sight. When the Jews returned to Israel in 1948, the land mysteriously started producing fruit and vegetables left and right just as was predicted in Isaiah 26:6. -- Posted by TheOtherHorseman at 3:04 am on Sep. 16, 2008 It isn't mysterious unless you're proposing they wake up every morning to find sacks of fruit and vegetables on their doorsteps. -- Posted by Cruizer at 3:18 am on Sep. 16, 2008 lol, the british owned and colonised it, similar to what they did with india and pakistan. maintaining colonised countries is quite a costly matter and requires too much effort so the british decided to withdraw. the us did not israel to the jews, there was a un vote as to whether the jews deserved a homeland (that being half of the colonised british palestine) and the world voted in favour of israel so the colony was divided half to the arabs/palestinians and half to the jews also even though the Jews made the arabs residing in Palestine leave, the land from Jews who left Arab countries to travel to israel equalled 4-5 times thet state of israel. also when leaving the arab countries the jews wern't permitted to take any of their assets, and the arabs gained control of 400 billion dollars worth of jewish assets -- Posted by Energizer Bunny at 3:43 am on Sep. 16, 2008 The idiot UK gave the land to the Jews to compensate for the holocaust and Jews desired the land that was stated in their religion; Israel.   At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired.   The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given.   This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began. Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel. Silly illegal states, these days. -- Posted by Lepperking at 6:30 am on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Markusseven77 at 9:45 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 What happened with the Jews returning to Israel after WW2 in 1948 and finally establishing themselves once again as a nation after not being a nation for over 2,000 years, was all fulfillment of Bible prophecy. The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They are there again today. Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days." Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds." To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead. zekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath." Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth." The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land in or around 1948. Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD." Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day. Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children." The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet. Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..." "... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise." Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south. With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets. Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering". After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted. Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel." There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations. Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land." Jesus pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today. Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day." The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!" Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit." Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...." Fictional stories justify the creation of a country? -- Posted by ampamp at 12:13 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 3:43 am on Sep. 16, 2008 The idiot UK gave the land to the Jews to compensate for the holocaust and Jews desired the land that was stated in their religion; Israel. At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired. The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given. This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began. Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel. Silly illegal states, these days. This sounds about right. -- Posted by Energizer Bunny at 12:32 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from ampamp at 12:13 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 3:43 am on Sep. 16, 2008 The idiot UK gave the land to the Jews to compensate for the holocaust and Jews desired the land that was stated in their religion; Israel.      At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired.      The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given.      This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began.    Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel.    Silly illegal states, these days.     This sounds about right. I should bloody think so. I studied the topic for a year. Most depressing shite ever. -- Posted by kidd rune at 4:41 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust NOTHING was owed... They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves "Each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews" - Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel. Zionism was supported by Hitler AND the SS. Between 1933 and 1942 there existed an organized a network of 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective Jewish settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. These German funded "Kibbutz" training camps were run by Zionists. When the emigrants left for Palestine they were permitted to take all their wealth with them. This was the direct result of an agreement between Zionists and Germany, whereby Jews would be encouraged to settle in Palestine, Madagascar, or other areas denoted by the Zionist group. Through this "Transfer" agreement, Hitler's Germany did more than any other government to support Jewish nationalism and further Zionist goals. Other Jewish groups sabotaged the agreement when they successfully caused Palestine, Britain, the US and other European countries all to refuse entry to the Jewish emigrants. Many ships were sent back to Germany from Palestine, the UK and the US for this reason. Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before Assimilate into other countries, my ass. I can come up with a few instances where Jews were expelled from nations, and a few places where Jews weren't allowed in. They were expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. Many went north and, in 1814, Norway formulated its first constitution that included in the second paragraph a general ban against Jews and Jesuits entering the country. I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter. They didn't have a voice in it, and many are treated as bad, if not worse, than whites treated Negroes in the old days of the USA. You do know slavery still exists over there, don't you? -- Posted by Shaknbake at 5:08 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 2:29 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, You don't know much about how Palestinian Arabs live under the dominion of Israel, I presume? -- Posted by kidd rune at 5:29 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Shaknbake at 5:08 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 2:29 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, You don't know much about how Palestinian Arabs live under the dominion of Israel, I presume? I think he is for the idea of a Jewish Nation, not a segregated Jewish Nation. I believe the Jews should have their own land if they so please, but I don't think their treatment of non-Jews is, at all, reasonable. -- Posted by jakelong at 6:49 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 I know why! Because Jews have Nordish ancestry! And they needed their OWN living space where ONLY THEIR RACE was in power!       -- Posted by carracer at 7:01 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 2:29 am on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust. They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves? Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before? I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter. "why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves? " They did establish Israel themselves. The US didn't help form Israel. The president at the time just declared his support for it after it was declared an independent country, but had nothing to do with the forming of Israel. -- Posted by carracer at 7:16 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 3:43 am on Sep. 16, 2008 The idiot UK gave the land to the Jews to compensate for the holocaust and Jews desired the land that was stated in their religion; Israel. At the time, Palestinians lived on the land but then it was split up so the Jews could form the state they desired. The Americans then gave them a stupid amount of weapons to defend themselves and the Jews went trigger happy and took over more land then they were given. This upset Palestine and the surrounding Arabian countries, so they decided to have a hissy fit and a tantrum, so the whole middle east conflict began. Unfortunately, the media is bias in favour of Israel. Silly illegal states, these days. You only know half the story. 1) Britain support for jewish "palestine" came after WORLD WAR ONE, for jewish support against the turks. Britain promised to give land to them, then refused trying to keep good relations with the surrounding arab countries. In fact they highly restricted jewish immigration into "palestine until they left it in 1948. Britain's deal had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to dow with the holocaust, and they were not helpful in the least with the forming of israel. http://www.familybible.org/images/History2.jpg original 2 state solution, which included jordan as part of the jewish state. Israel got much much less land then it agreed upon. Don't kid yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War#Weapons Again wrong. Israel originally bought secondhand weapons after WW2 from various countries. Again. BOUGHT. The media is in favor of israel? What planet are you living on? You only hear about palestinian casualties and problems, and how israel is NOT JUSTIFIED IN ISRAEL'S DECISIONS. now how is that in favor of israel? -- Posted by carracer at 7:25 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 4:41 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 I'm a little confused as to how in post WWII we owed the Jews a country for their troubles in the Holocaust NOTHING was owed... They wanted a country, why didn't they hit up the Germans for help or form it themselves "Each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews" - Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel.   Zionism was supported by Hitler AND the SS. Between 1933 and 1942 there existed an organized a network of 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective Jewish settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. These German funded "Kibbutz" training camps were run by Zionists. When the emigrants left for Palestine they were permitted to take all their wealth with them. This was the direct result of an agreement between Zionists and Germany, whereby Jews would be encouraged to settle in Palestine, Madagascar, or other areas denoted by the Zionist group. Through this "Transfer" agreement, Hitler's Germany did more than any other government to support Jewish nationalism and further Zionist goals. Other Jewish groups sabotaged the agreement when they successfully caused Palestine, Britain, the US and other European countries all to refuse entry to the Jewish emigrants. Many ships were sent back to Germany from Palestine, the UK and the US for this reason.   Or better yet, assimilate into other countries like before Assimilate into other countries, my ass. I can come up with a few instances where Jews were expelled from nations, and a few places where Jews weren't allowed in. They were expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. Many went north and, in 1814, Norway formulated its first constitution that included in the second paragraph a general ban against Jews and Jesuits entering the country.   I'm not anti-Israel, I'm actually pro-Israel now that they are settled, but is what happened really fair to the previous inhabitants? It's not as if they had a voice in the matter. They didn't have a voice in it, and many are treated as bad, if not worse, than whites treated Negroes in the old days of the USA. You do know slavery still exists over there, don't you? http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html Zionism was supported by Hitler my ass. "You do know slavery still exists over there, don't you?" This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education. You know nothing about israel. -- Posted by Bud2400 at 9:38 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 7:25 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Zionism was supported by Hitler my ass. You'd be rather surprised. Zionism is a national ideology, just as Nazism is. Nazism for Germany advocated for a homogeneous German state. Zionism advocates a homogeneous Jewish state. The two ideologies are very similar (and no, Nazism didn't advocate for the destruction of any race, but when put into practice, a few individuals took it out of control), and while Israel today isn't all Jewish (just as Nazi Germany wasn't all German), it is predominantly Jewish and there's no way the Israeli government will let that change so long as they embrace Zionism (hence why they did expel Palestinians from Palestine, bulldoze Palestinian homes, etc.). Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though. Zionism wasn't originally about stealing land in Palestine and turning it into a Jewish state - rather, alternatives like stealing land in Madagascar and turning that into a Jewish starte were proposed (and I believe that's what Theodor Herzl advocated for he thought that stealing land in Palestine would create huge conflicts, and rightfully so). Hitler certainly supported a Jewish state - after all, he believed in a nationalist ideology which advocated a single national state for a group of people, however I think he denounced Israel being that state for the same reasons as Herzl and proposed Madagascar instead, but couldn't do anything about it thanks to WWII. People should also keep in mind that Zionism isn't really much of an "organization," like many would have you believe. It's just an ideology. Himmler tried to seek out the leaders of Zionism but failed to do so simply because there are no leaders of Zionism. Perhaps today it'd be a little different with things like the World Zionist Organization being bigger and having more support today, Israel being in existence, etc. And even so, people should also keep in mind that Jew =/= Zionist (there are quite a few Jews, especially during the early 20th century, who denounced Zionism), and not all Zionists are Jews. -- Posted by carracer at 5:38 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Quote: from Bud2400 at 9:38 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Quote: from carracer at 7:25 pm on Sep. 16, 2008 Zionism was supported by Hitler my ass.   You'd be rather surprised.  Zionism is a national ideology, just as Nazism is.  Nazism for Germany advocated for a homogeneous German state.  Zionism advocates a homogeneous Jewish state.  The two ideologies are very similar (and no, Nazism didn't advocate for the destruction of any race, but when put into practice, a few individuals took it out of control), and while Israel today isn't all Jewish (just as Nazi Germany wasn't all German), it is predominantly Jewish and there's no way the Israeli government will let that change so long as they embrace Zionism (hence why they did expel Palestinians from Palestine, bulldoze Palestinian homes, etc.). Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though.  Zionism wasn't originally about stealing land in Palestine and turning it into a Jewish state - rather, alternatives like stealing land in Madagascar and turning that into a Jewish starte were proposed (and I believe that's what Theodor Herzl advocated for he thought that stealing land in Palestine would create huge conflicts, and rightfully so).  Hitler certainly supported a Jewish state - after all, he believed in a nationalist ideology which advocated a single national state for a group of people, however I think he denounced Israel being that state for the same reasons as Herzl and proposed Madagascar instead, but couldn't do anything about it thanks to WWII. People should also keep in mind that Zionism isn't really much of an "organization," like many would have you believe.  It's just an ideology.  Himmler tried to seek out the leaders of Zionism but failed to do so simply because there are no leaders of Zionism.  Perhaps today it'd be a little different with things like the World Zionist Organization being bigger and having more support today, Israel being in existence, etc.  And even so, people should also keep in mind that Jew =/= Zionist (there are quite a few Jews, especially during the early 20th century, who denounced Zionism), and not all Zionists are Jews. As a zionist jew, I understood that, and about the facts actually agree with most of them. The Neturei Karta are an example of non-zionist jews. One of the things I did not agree with is the "stealing of palestine". Originally zionists BOUGHT plots of land for the muslims living in the land. The first zionist city, Tel Aviv, was bought by zionists because it was difficult for jews to live in the arab city of Jaffa, literally next to Tel Aviv. Also Before the Independence War, the surrounding Arab Countries decided to tell the palestinians to move from their homes so that the various armies could "push the jews into the sea". Obviously when Israel won the war, it created problems for the people who had chosen to leave in hopes that the zionists would be gone. No one forced them out, and in fact Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians land in order for a 2 state solution. Unfortunately the various Palestinian leaders have said that they will accept no land unless it includes jerusalem. being that jerusalem is our one only holy city on the entire planet, you can see why most people would see that as not an option. -- Posted by kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though. Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel. Adolf was delighted to cooperate. By encouraging Jewish emigration more than two-thirds of Germany's Jews emigrated voluntarily in a peaceful process whereby they were permitted to take their wealth with them. Compared to previous pogroms against Jews this was relatively civilized and painless. What Germany considered their "Jewish Problem" was two-thirds solved - peacefully - by the time war broke out, but Jewish emigration to Israel was stopped by Britain who was having political trouble with different Jewish pressure groups. Many Zionists were delighted with the German collaboration process and made suggestions to the Nazis to help speed up the process, such as forcing Jews in Germany to wear the star of David - a Zionist innovation. The more pressure German Jews felt, the more would emigrate to Israel, so the theory went. The end result (and proposed "Final Solution")was the resettlement of Jews in Palestine and elsewhere. After other countries stopped accepting Jews from German held territories, Adolf had many of the remaining European Jews incarcerated and deported to the east, but continued to seek other destinations for them. Other countries, such as the US and Brittain, were persuaded not to accept Jewish emigrants from Germany. International Jewish lobby groups had implemented this refusal policy throughout Allied and neutral countries. Here's a quote: "Very honoured, Herr Himmler! The Jews are just as unwanted in Sweden as in Germany... you have released 5,000 Jews ... for evacuation to Sweden. I am not pleased with this..." Count Bernadotte to Himmler March 10th, 1945 ^^^^ Deporting them to Sweden. Count Bernadotte was assassinated by Zionists in 1948 also... And another quote: "It is remarkable that the states whose public opinion is in favour of the Jews all refuse to accept our Jews from us. They say they are magnificent pioneers of culture, and geniuses in economics, diplomacy, philosophy, and poetry, yet the moment we try to press one of these geniuses upon them, they clamp down their frontiers: 'No, no! We don't want them!' I think it must be unique in the history of the world, people turning down geniuses." - Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education. You know nothing about israel. It's sex-slavery, actually. -- Posted by carracer at 6:22 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Not so sure about Hitler supporting an Israel, though. Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel. Adolf was delighted to cooperate. By encouraging Jewish emigration more than two-thirds of Germany's Jews emigrated voluntarily in a peaceful process whereby they were permitted to take their wealth with them. Compared to previous pogroms against Jews this was relatively civilized and painless. What Germany considered their "Jewish Problem" was two-thirds solved - peacefully - by the time war broke out, but Jewish emigration to Israel was stopped by Britain who was having political trouble with different Jewish pressure groups.   Many Zionists were delighted with the German collaboration process and made suggestions to the Nazis to help speed up the process, such as forcing Jews in Germany to wear the star of David - a Zionist innovation. The more pressure German Jews felt, the more would emigrate to Israel, so the theory went. The end result (and proposed "Final Solution")was the resettlement of Jews in Palestine and elsewhere. After other countries stopped accepting Jews from German held territories, Adolf had many of the remaining European Jews incarcerated and deported to the east, but continued to seek other destinations for them. Other countries, such as the US and Brittain, were persuaded not to accept Jewish emigrants from Germany. International Jewish lobby groups had implemented this refusal policy throughout Allied and neutral countries. Here's a quote: "Very honoured, Herr Himmler! The Jews are just as unwanted in Sweden as in Germany... you have released 5,000 Jews ... for evacuation to Sweden. I am not pleased with this..." Count Bernadotte to Himmler March 10th, 1945 ^^^^ Deporting them to Sweden. Count Bernadotte was assassinated by Zionists in 1948 also...   And another quote:   "It is remarkable that the states whose public opinion is in favour of the Jews all refuse to accept our Jews from us. They say they are magnificent pioneers of culture, and geniuses in economics, diplomacy, philosophy, and poetry, yet the moment we try to press one of these geniuses upon them, they clamp down their frontiers: 'No, no! We don't want them!' I think it must be unique in the history of the world, people turning down geniuses." - Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels   This made me laugh. There aren't slaves in israel. Its not legal. Everyone gets paid and everyone has the right to get a college education. You know nothing about israel. It's sex-slavery, actually.   1) Is all of this information from you white support site or is it actually possible for me to find anywhere else. In other words: is that actually credible at all? 2) 2 of the most "white" countries in the world, russia and the united states, have the LARGEST HUMAN TRAFFICKING BY FAR. Shipping of women and children as slaves. 3)I am not denying a sex trade in israel, but also remember most if not all the people are coming from russia, and it is a WORLDWIDE epidemic, not indigenous to israel by far. please do you history -- Posted by jakelong at 6:35 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 KR's "history" websites racialcompact.com white-history.com -- Posted by Bud2400 at 8:30 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel. Eh, I've seen the claims, however most sources pointing toward that are unreliable at best.  I've seen interesting, more reliable stuff about the Nazis working up a deal to expel the Jews to Spain and then to the United States under the compromise that they would not go to Israel, which the Zionists flat out rejected, though. -- Posted by John Zimejewski at 11:12 am on Sep. 18, 2008 Fuck The Fucking Jews They Kicked The A-Rabs Outta RagHead Land And...Y'now Wht, Fuck the Raghead too, Fuck All  of you -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2008 Quote: from Bud2400 at 8:30 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2008 Many Zionists of that era openly supported Nazism and encouraged Adolf Hitler to send his "Unwanted Jews" to British Palestine / Israel.   Eh, I've seen the claims, however most sources pointing toward that are unreliable at best. I've seen interesting, more reliable stuff about the Nazis working up a deal to expel the Jews to Spain and then to the United States under the compromise that they would not go to Israel, which the Zionists flat out rejected, though. They did try to deport them to Spain. In 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily. The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti. The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid 1) Is all of this information from you white support site or is it actually possible for me to find anywhere else. In other words: is that actually credible at all? 2) 2 of the most "white" countries in the world, russia and the united states, have the LARGEST HUMAN TRAFFICKING BY FAR. Shipping of women and children as slaves. 3)I am not denying a sex trade in israel, but also remember most if not all the people are coming from russia, and it is a WORLDWIDE epidemic, not indigenous to israel by far. 1) It's credible. 2) Russia nad the USA are the whitest countries? I wouldn't consider either a "white country" myself. 3) But they still have it, don't they? KR's "history" websites racialcompact.com white-history.com Good job, you found two. There are MANY more. -- Posted by nik1 at 2:59 am on Sep. 19, 2008 Keep in mind that Israel was a jewish country 1300 years before the birth of Christ.   It was taken from the Jews and was given back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel