Pages: 1 2 3  Next -- Posted by Hiba at 1:47 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Like Jesus (A.S.), Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him. Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete, with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically. God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator. -- Posted by Natsy at 1:48 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 yeah, i know... -- Posted by HeartofJuyoMk2 at 1:48 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 it's all the same to me, but each specifies that we shall love our fellow man, so they all fail. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 2:26 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 We know that. What I'd like to know is what makes the Muslim's view of Jesus any more valid than the Christians'? -- Posted by charmgirl at 3:30 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 *{And their saying [is] 'we slew the Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, Allah's messenger' - They slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them. And those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture. For of a surety they slew him not; but Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty [and] All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book [the Jews and Christians] but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:157-159) Sadak Allahu alazim So Jesus (A.S) was saved and raised up to Heaven by Allah (The Almighty) *{He [Allah] has ordained for you the same religion as that which He ordained to Noah, and that which We inspired in you [Muhammad], and that which We ordained to Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and make no divisions therein. To those who worship other things than Allah, dreadful is that to which you call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He will, and guides to Himself him who turns [in repentance to Him].}* (Az-Zukhruf 42:13) Muslims believe Jesus Christ to be one of the great prophets of God and hold that all prophets are brothers and that their religion is the same, namely, Islam. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 4:38 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 6:30 pm on Oct. 12, 2008 *{And their saying [is] 'we slew the Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, Allah's messenger' - They slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them. And those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture. For of a surety they slew him not; but Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty [and] All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book [the Jews and Christians] but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.}* (An-Nisaa' 4:157-159) Sadak Allahu alazim So Jesus (A.S) was saved and raised up to Heaven by Allah (The Almighty) *{He [Allah] has ordained for you the same religion as that which He ordained to Noah, and that which We inspired in you [Muhammad], and that which We ordained to Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and make no divisions therein. To those who worship other things than Allah, dreadful is that to which you call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He will, and guides to Himself him who turns [in repentance to Him].}* (Az-Zukhruf 42:13) Muslims believe Jesus Christ to be one of the great prophets of God and hold that all prophets are brothers and that their religion is the same, namely, Islam. Wonderful. This still doesn't answer my question. What makes Islam's interpretation of Jesus more valid than Christianity's? -- Posted by charmgirl at 4:25 am on Oct. 13, 2008 Muslims respect Jesus very much as he's the second-last prophet.Islam is the last Religion and its Message is true and sent to All Humanity. Jesus' true name, according to the Qur'an, was 'Isa. His message was pure Islam, surrender to Allah. (Âl 'Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, 'Isa was a lawgiver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl 'Imran 3:50; Al-Ma'idah 5:48) 'Isa's original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said 'We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.' (Al-Ma'idah 5:111) Like other messengers of Islam before him, 'Isa received his revelation of Islam in the form of a book. (Al-An'am 6:90) 'Isa's book is called the Injil or 'gospel'. (Al-Ma'idah 5:46) The Torah was Moses' book, and the Zabur (Psalms) were David's book. So Jews and Christians are 'people of the Book'. The one religion revealed in these books was Islam. (Âl 'Imran 3:18) As with previous prophets, 'Isa's revelation verified previous prophets' revelations. (Âl 'Imran 3:49,84; Al-Ma'idah 5:46; As-Saff 61:6) Muhammad himself verified all previous revelations, including the revelation to 'Isa (An-Nisa' 4:47), and so Muslims must believe in the revelation which 'Isa received. (Al-Baqarah 2:136) However, after 'Isa the Injil was lost in its original form. Today the Qur'an is the only sure guide to 'Isa's teaching. Christians and Jews have corrupted their scriptures. (Âl 'Imran 3:74-77, 113) Although Christians believe 'Isa died on a cross, and Jews claim they killed him, in reality he was not killed or crucified, and those who said he was crucified lied (An-Nisa' 4:157). 'Isa did not die, but ascended to Allah. (An-Nisa' 4:158) On the day of Resurrection 'Isa himself will be a witness against Jews and Christians for believing in his death. (An-Nisa' 4:159) Some Christians and Jews are faithful and believe truly. (Âl 'Imran 3:113,114) Any such true believers will submit to Allah by accepting Muhammad as the prophet of Islam, i.e. they will become Muslims. (Âl 'Imran 3:198) Although Jews and pagans will have the greatest enmity against Muslims, it is the Christians who will be 'nearest in love to the believers', i.e. to Muslims. (Al-Ma'idah 5:82) True Christians will not love Muhammad's enemies. (Al-Mujadilah 58:22) In other words, anyone who opposes Muhammad is not a true Christian. If you believe in Qura'n,you'll find all this Understandable.And thats why Islam's interpratation is more valid than Christianity's. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 7:22 am on Oct. 13, 2008 Saying "The Qu'ran is more valid than the Bible or the Torah because the Qu'ran says that it's more valid than the Bible or Torah" does not answer my question. It instead merely furthers my rather founded belief that Muslims on the internet (note, for those of you about to say "OMG BIGOT!": the Muslims I know in real life are intelligent, articulate and can answer this question without saying "The Qu'ran is true because the Qu'ran says it's true!" I'm merely referring to Muslims on the internet) are all brainwashed. -- Posted by charmgirl at 5:37 am on Oct. 14, 2008 Just because i am not saying what u believe doesnt mean its not true,its all in GOD'S WILL.Islam's message is simple "theres only one God and Muhammad is his Messenger". whats ur idea about Religion and God so i can help better? -- Posted by JohnTheNormalOne at 5:50 am on Oct. 14, 2008 No. The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world. The end. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 6:13 am on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 8:37 am on Oct. 14, 2008 Just because i am not saying what u believe doesnt mean its not true,its all in GOD'S WILL.Islam's message is simple "theres only one God and Muhammad is his Messenger". whats ur idea about Religion and God so i can help better? Well, no, I'm not going to think your ideas are true no matter what you say. My problem is that you're essentially saying "Islam is true because Islam teaches that Islam is true." That's kind of like me saying, "I'm right because I say I'm right." It won't convince anybody. Now, try to give me a reason why Islam's interpretation of Jesus is more valid than Christianity's, without using the Qu'ran. -- Posted by charmgirl at 7:10 am on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from JohnTheNormalOne at 3:50 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 No. The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world. The end. I beg your Parton ? -- Posted by charmgirl at 7:55 am on Oct. 14, 2008 Death is the end of any humanbeing's life.I agree with all people on that,but Jesus is a messenger and so he had to deliver The Message to his people.The Rich Tribes of (beit Lahm) didn't believe him and they challenged him,only to keep their high position between the other Tribes.Only a "few" poor people believed.Those Rich Tribes took  poor 's money,saying that there's no damn life after death,no heaven,no hell so we're free to do anything with our Life. See? They didn't even give him a chance to talk about it. Jesus(Isa) didn't care,he kept on delivering The Message to the poor as they were the only one who accepted and welcomed him.Jesus (Isa) 's popularity is now unbelievable.Priests and Rich ppl held grudge for him.They even convinced the Leader of all tribes to kill him as he's a threat to their safety and place.They thought they killed him but they didn't,it was a man that looked alike him like hell,it was a Miracle. so you want a proof that's he's dead,i got a another proof to you that you still don't believe,have you ever seen a book without a writer? i guess not.Well Qur'an is Unique. Second,Muhammad was not literate and so don't say that Qur'an is not a Miracle itself because it was the book which has been given to him.. Give me a one verse in Bible in which Jesus announce that he's God himself! -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 4:18 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 charmgirl, is English your first language? Furthermore, you've still managed to not answer my question without using the Qu'ran. -- Posted by iconoclast at 5:25 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 7:18 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 charmgirl, is English your first language? Furthermore, you've still managed to not answer my question without using the Qu'ran. is that a mexican equivalent of cutemira -- Posted by charmgirl at 5:57 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 If you really wanted to believe,you would.Its not in believing or disbelieving.Its not about that at all.We're humans.You know what,i don't read Qur'an much,i listen to it.It gives me peace and a feeling i can not describe.Whether you believe in Qur'an or not i still feel sad about what some people think of Islam as a Religion,considering its a Holy Pure Innocent Message.Maybe its just not your time to believe yet. best wishes -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 7:08 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 8:57 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 If you really wanted to believe,you would.Its not in believing or disbelieving.Its not about that at all.We're humans.You know what,i don't read Qur'an much,i listen to it.It gives me peace and a feeling i can not describe.Whether you believe in Qur'an or not i still feel sad about what some people think of Islam as a Religion,considering its a Holy Pure Innocent Message.Maybe its just not your time to believe yet. best wishes This isn't about believing or not believing, dumbass. It's about you explaining what makes your position more valid than anyone else's without using your holy book. Can you do that? Hablas ingles? -- Posted by charmgirl at 7:12 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 i see no point in it,so thanks but no -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 8:15 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 10:12 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 i see no point in it,so thanks but no So you don't see a point in explaining to people who might be searching why, objectively, your religion is correct and others are not? -- Posted by charmgirl at 8:47 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 I believe in all Messengers,thus i believe in Holy Books.Religions without a book,are just fake ones. -- Posted by Shaknbake at 8:59 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 8:47 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 I believe in all Messengers,thus i believe in Holy Books.Religions without a book,are just fake ones. The Bhagavad Gita predates the Koran AND the Bible. Oh, and so does the Avesta. Why aren't you a Hindu? Or a Zoroastrian? -- Posted by charmgirl at 9:06 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 I find it hard to believe a book other than the Koran and the Bible,Christianity and Islam are so alike -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 4:54 am on Oct. 15, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 11:47 pm on Oct. 14, 2008 I believe in all Messengers,thus i believe in Holy Books.Religions without a book,are just fake ones. Why? What makes them fake? What makes religions with a book any more legitimate? Do you understand what I am asking? -- Posted by Ice Hand at 5:28 am on Oct. 15, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 8:25 pm on Oct. 13, 2008 If you believe in Qura'n,you'll find all this Understandable.And thats why Islam's interpratation is more valid than Christianity's.   This is something I and most intelligent people have a problem with. You're suggesting that I put aside my intellect and accept a book that was written over 1000 years ago merely because you say it gives you a nice feeling... Not exactly a compelling argument. If you want me to pay attention to your faith than you need to present it to me without using your book. I want your opinions, not Muhammad's. -- Posted by charmgirl at 5:32 am on Oct. 15, 2008 I know what your asking.I can't make up reasons out of nothing just to convince you.And Religions without Holy books are fake because that makes sense to me.If i didn't convince you,i already convinced other people. -- Posted by charmgirl at 5:36 am on Oct. 15, 2008 Ice Hand,I call it Stubbornness,not Intelligence -- Posted by Ice Hand at 5:37 am on Oct. 15, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 9:32 pm on Oct. 15, 2008 I know what your asking.I can't make up reasons out of nothing just to convince you. I'm not asking for you to make up reasons. I'm asking you why you chose to be a Muslim. And Religions without Holy books are fake because that makes sense to me. Just because something is beyond your ability to comprehend doesn't make it fake. There are many religions that don't involve dogmatic texts. And the word religion refers to much more than the three abrahamic faiths. If i didn't convince you,i already convinced other people. I can convince my little brother that there's a man in the moon and he'll say he can see him. Swaying the minds of morons isn't impressive. -- Posted by Ice Hand at 5:40 am on Oct. 15, 2008 Quote: from charmgirl at 9:36 pm on Oct. 15, 2008 Ice Hand,I call it Stubbornness,not Intelligence So inquiring into the specifics of a viewpoint is stubbornness? I guess you're not that stubborn eh?... -- Posted by charmgirl at 5:52 am on Oct. 15, 2008 OK,then. Because of the way they respect women,regardless of the 4 wife part.Everything that Messengers have done and still takes effect till now,is enough to convince me that they were not liars or magicians like some pagans used to say.The way Muslim guys talk and the way nonreligious guys talk.There's a whole sura in Koran only for Woman and its named (Al-Nisa'a).And would you say that a 32 year old man is moron because he believed a Holy Book? -- Posted by Ice Hand at 5:58 am on Oct. 15, 2008 I'd say anyone who's convinced by your efforts so far is a moron. Ok, I now know your reasons for your faith. Now tell me why I should convert. I happen to like my hedonistic lifestyle. I enjoy fucking my girlfriend every night, drinking unhealthy quantities of alcohol and eating anything I want. Why should I change? Pages: 1 2 3  Next