Pages: 1 2 3  Next -- Posted by Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage. Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator? This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS -- Posted by greatescape at 9:17 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 We know nothing. Once you can accept that, you can move on and start being less of a conceited idiot. -- Posted by FingerSub at 9:18 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 religion accepts evolution -- Posted by Ju5tin at 9:18 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 What makes you think a god created us? How do you know it wasn't something else? -- Posted by Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Well, you're both right and wrong. Yes, there was a creator. But it wasn't god. It was aliens. -- Posted by Irreducible Complexi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from greatescape11 at 9:17 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 We know nothing. Stop being an idiot. We know a lot of things. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 The DNA molecule is the result of billions of years, and hardly 'came together'. It is actually relatively new as far as 'life' goes. Before that was RNA, much simpler, then mere amino acids and proteins. All DNA is is a blueprint for proteins, so once those came together, some map was not very outlandish. There are many structures of irreducible complexity, but they had a precourser. In many cases, one simpler, and with a different use. Things change much over time. Not to mention that Darwinian evolution is hardly the standard. Far to simple of a theory. FP -- Posted by lightskaylaction at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 you are so right. sarcasm-free post, seriously, i agree with you 100%. -- Posted by Irreducible Complexi at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Ju5tin at 9:18 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 What makes you think a god created us? Creation requires for a creator. Life is a creation. Universe is a CREATION. We are a creation. -- Posted by Doghouse at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 We know eating one's booger supports a healthy immune system. -- Posted by FingerSub at 9:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Well, you're both right and wrong. Yes, there was a creator. But it wasn't god. It was aliens. o rly do you have any evidence what so ever? How did the aliens get there? -- Posted by Desertfoxel at 9:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 you are a fucking idiot my friend, just like all you religious sons of bitches out there, so you believe in an invisible man out there somewhere? and even if all that was to be proven flase what makes you think there is a god? just because abiogenesis doesnt exist all of a sudden god exists? if god does exist he is the worst excuse for a god -- Posted by Tuski at 9:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Well, you're both right and wrong. Yes, there was a creator. But it wasn't god. It was aliens. haha I like this version better -- Posted by DayXTripper at 9:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Amino acids, the building blocks of DNA, can be formed from various elements/gases. I don't remember exactly which ones, but it is a famous experiment you can look in to. You example for Darwin says nothing about evolution, only creation. -- Posted by iconoclast at 9:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 all cretins need a creator -- Posted by greatescape at 9:22 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 11:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from greatescape11 at 9:17 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 We know nothing. Stop being an idiot. We know a lot of things. We think we know a lot of things.  However everything we know is flawed by our own perception.  Therefore we cannot say we know anything definitely.  We can understand something to be true (science) or we can believe something to be true (religion). Both rest entirely on cognition, not fact. -- Posted by HuffleHaire at 9:22 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 How do you know God's a he? -- Posted by Infinite Inferno at 9:22 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage.   Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?   This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS LMAO. Have you studied anything in cell biology? DNA replication is a very complex process, things don't just slide in place. There's chemical reactions, countless proteins, etc... .   DNA is meant to be a self-replicating molecule, a wrist watch isn't.   Big Bang Theory?   "This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does." Wait, this seems to go against itself. You say this isn't about religion (and I'm also assuming beliefs), yet you end with a statement involving this. Have you heard of the Miller experiment? Showing how more complex molecules can come from simpler molecules such as CO2, H20, etc... with heat and light? "Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?  " Learn what evolution is. Evolution is not meant to explain the matter in the universe, it's meant to explain changes in life of an organism (on Earth). Natural selection, changes in allele frequencies, none of this has anything to do with matter in the universe. Read up on some basic cell and molecular biology and evolution. -- Posted by Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 9:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". Argument from incredulity. If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage. Watches do not randomly mutate. Watches are not subject to natural selection. There is no analogy. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator? That has nothing to do with with evolution. This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS False dichotomy. You're trolling, right? -- Posted by Baron Samedi at 9:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FingerSub at 10:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Well, you're both right and wrong.    Yes, there was a creator.    But it wasn't god.    It was aliens. o rly do you have any evidence what so ever? How did the aliens get there? Spaceship.  How else? -- Posted by Irreducible Complexi at 9:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 All DNA is is a blueprint for protein You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases. I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making. -- Posted by iconoclast at 9:24 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Infinite Inferno at 12:22 am on Oct. 20, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 9:16 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Look at a DNA molecule. There's no way any self-replicating molecule of that type of complexity could just "come together". If you let a set a wrist watch parts sit there idly, it isn't just going to assemble itself, no matter how long you wait for it. This pretty much throws abiogenesis in the garbage.    Now for evolution. Darwin stated that if there was at all some form of irreducible complexity in a structure, then clearly it was designed. There are plenty of examples for that in the Universe. How could all this matter have come from without creation/creator?    This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does. GOD EXISTS LMAO. Have you studied anything in cell biology? DNA replication is a very complex process, things don't just slide in place. There's chemical reactions, countless proteins, etc... .   DNA is meant to be a self-replicating molecule, a wrist watch isn't.   Big Bang Theory?   "This isn't about religion. This isn't about knowing which religion is correct or some bullshit. This is about knowing whether a creator exists for sure, and He does." Wait, this seems to go against itself. You say this isn't about religion (and I'm also assuming beliefs), yet you end with a statement involving this. hey look the troll is arguing with himself yank vs moridin style -- Posted by FingerSub at 9:25 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FingerSub at 10:21 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Baron Samedi at 9:19 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Well, you're both right and wrong.   Yes, there was a creator.   But it wasn't god.   It was aliens. o rly do you have any evidence what so ever? How did the aliens get there? Spaceship. How else? fucking brilliant dude idk why I couldn't see it before. -- Posted by greatescape at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Oh holy flying fuck you're dumb. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 All DNA is is a blueprint for protein You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases. I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making. It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result. You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible. FP -- Posted by FingerSub at 9:29 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 All DNA is is a blueprint for protein You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.    I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making. It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result. You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible. FP Very simple question how did they get there? Did they just appear out of thin air, or did the randomly occurring big bang out of nothing create them? -- Posted by Irreducible Complexi at 9:30 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 And it's very possible. How about you take another cock up your asshole you worthless faggot because you're better off doing that than shitting bullshit on my topic. You can't back up shit. And yes, it is random you stupid bitch. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 9:31 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FingerSub at 10:29 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 All DNA is is a blueprint for protein You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.   I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making.    It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result.    You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible.    FP Very simple question how did they get there? Did they just appear out of thin air, or did the randomly occurring big bang out of nothing create them? Chemical reactions in the early, volatile times of primordial Earth. FP -- Posted by FingerSub at 9:32 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:31 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FingerSub at 10:29 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:23 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 All DNA is is a blueprint for protein You're a fucking idiot if you honestly believe that an incredibly complex structure, made up of billions of proteins and amino acids (as complex as they themselves are) can just randomly assemble itself and have the ability to store information about building bodies, and having the ability to encode itself as it pleases.       I dare you to put ever computer part out there and let it sit. Lets see if a silicon chip merely 'assembles' itself. That's how preposterous of an argument you're making.   It was far from random. To say it was only demonstrates a severe lack of understanding. I the environment of Earth, it was pretty much the only result.   You're making a huge straw man. You know we have actually found how life first started, right? The first cell membranes, organelles, and the like, which would form early life, have been figured out. And it's very possible.   FP Very simple question how did they get there? Did they just appear out of thin air, or did the randomly occurring big bang out of nothing create them? Chemical reactions in the early, volatile times of primordial Earth. FP where did the chemicals come from? -- Posted by FurryPanther at 9:32 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from Irreducible Complexi at 10:30 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:26 pm on Oct. 19, 2008 And it's very possible. How about you take another cock up your asshole you worthless faggot because you're better off doing that than shitting bullshit on my topic. You can't back up shit. And yes, it is random you stupid bitch. Wow... That was brilliant. Let's attack the debater, not the point. In fact, you've hardly addressed a single refutation. How typical of the blind. FP Pages: 1 2 3  Next