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-- Posted by ul fan at 1:05 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 I'm looking for an Atheist vs. Theist debate. I am a theist. I'm looking for a topic on this forum to be closed to anyone posting but me and another person (the person I will be debating). Are there any moderators who would be willing to sponsor this? By this I mean set up a topic and close it for only me and the other debator to debate on, moderate the posts and set a starting and ending time. Also keep in mind that i'm looking for someone who really knows what they are talking about. An Atheist who would go farther than "God doesn't feed people in Africa so he must not be real!!!!1" I've studied Christian Apologetics and I actively blog on an apologetics website. I know more than most of the teens on here, so if anyone would be willing to actiely enguage in a debate with me please post =].
-- Posted by wallopwoop at 1:06 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Wow. Hahahahaha.
-- Posted by tell me again at 1:06 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 WTF? Mods have better things to do than sponsor bizarre oblique requests.
-- Posted by robdude at 1:07 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 I'm on your side
-- Posted by Napster the Hacker at 1:08 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 lol good luck with that,.
-- Posted by EmileeM14 at 1:11 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 idk
-- Posted by dramaqueenxoxo at 1:11 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 If you want I will PM debate with me but I don't think that the topic thingy would be possible
-- Posted by Soren Kierkegaard at 1:12 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from ul fan at 1:05 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 And your humility is where again?
-- Posted by ul fan at 1:13 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 I'm moreso looking for somethign that is public and official lol. There are so many small debates between Christians who don't know what they are talking about and Atheists who don't know what they are talking about. I thought it would be interesting.
-- Posted by Alabamarama at 1:14 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Get someone to debate you over the message system. One-on-one things aren't what topics are for.
-- Posted by ul fan at 1:14 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 1:12 pm on Oct. 22, 2008
You're actually right. I sound like I'm bragging there, but moreso I'm trying to convey the point that I want a more serious debate, but you are correct in a way.
-- Posted by robdude at 1:16 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 Quote: from tell me again at 4:06 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 livewire is bizarre
-- Posted by Soren Kierkegaard at 1:24 pm on Oct. 22, 2008
You do realize that livewire has a number of capable Theists already here on the scene, right? Barnabas, PoP, Forever Angel, exceedinglyrare, myself, etc. etc. are but a few all ranging in formal experience and/or education within Christendom entirely. You are quite welcome to post to your heart's content, but please do not expect others to kiss the ground you walk on solely from formal experience in exegesis and hermeneutics. Because if you continue to find yourself seeking shock and awe as a response to you informing others of your education, you will find yourself significantly outclassed by the wisest of those experienced enough not to boast otherwise.
-- Posted by ul fan at 1:48 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 You took what I said wrong Soren. I in no means said I was better than everyone here, but if you do truly read these forums then you would see the mass amount of casual Christians who don't know what they are talking about. I am not boasting at all, wrather explaining that I am in search of a more phiosophical debate.
-- Posted by fenrir at 1:56 pm on Oct. 22, 2008
Please learn to spell if you continue to expect others to take you seriously.
-- Posted by ul fan at 2:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 philosophical* sorry.
-- Posted by ul fan at 2:01 pm on Oct. 22, 2008 rather* you're right.
-- Posted by gronk at 4:40 am on Oct. 24, 2008
Richard Dawkins and John Lennox perhaps two of the more prominent athiests and theists of the world had an epic debate
-- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 5:09 am on Oct. 24, 2008 That's really not the way things on this forum work...generally speaking, if you want some sort of atheist vs. theist, Lincoln-Douglas style debate, it'd be better for you to do it through e-mail with someone, if you don't want the interference of others. Also, generally speaking, participants of this forum tend to not care about a topic, once it gets taken over by duelists. Ergo, if you want the topic to be public and have people ooh and ahh...it's just not going to happen. That said, feel free to demonstrate your vast theological training in any of the other topics on this forum. I'm sure we'll all be astounded by your knowledge.
-- Posted by ul fan101 at 7:40 pm on Oct. 24, 2008 gronk - Richard dawkins is not in any way a prominent atheistic scholar in my own opinion, feel free to read Alvin Plantianga's review of the book. And exceedinglyrare, why can noone understand that I only state that I had been in apologetics classes so that people would respond seriously? i'm not bragging, i'm sure there are people on here with more knowledge than me, I just wanted to let people know that I wanted a serious debate. All that has happened on this topic is people post about that, so IM SORRY that it came off wrong. A moderator can close this topic, it isn't needed anymore. All that has happened is flaming for me saying that I would probably have more thought out posts than what i've seen from alot of people. What a great community you guys have here.
-- Posted by Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 7:46 pm on Oct. 24, 2008 Quote: from ul fan at 1:05 pm on Oct. 22, 2008
This is the most valid, undefeated argument against theism, so I'm not surprised that you would seek to exclude it.
-- Posted by ul fan101 at 6:40 am on Oct. 25, 2008 are you joking? o.0
-- Posted by ul fan101 at 6:51 am on Oct. 25, 2008 by the way ul fan is now ul fan101, I change my name b/c I couldn't get into my other account
-- Posted by Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 7:50 am on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from ul fan101 at 6:40 am on Oct. 25, 2008
Of course not. The existence of natural evil directly contradicts the idea of a benevolent God. You can't even use your "free will" excuse against it.
-- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 9:20 am on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 10:50 am on Oct. 25, 2008
Why not?
-- Posted by mysticgohan at 1:25 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 7:46 pm on Oct. 24, 2008
No it is not, many forms of theism believe that it is the believers duty to help the poverty stricken and hungry, other believe "God" does not care.
-- Posted by Event Horizon at 3:37 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 4:24 pm on Oct. 22, 2008
I've been meaning to ask you and this topic seems fitting:
-- Posted by Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 3:41 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:20 am on Oct. 25, 2008
Because not even Christians believe that tornadoes and tumors have free will.
Too bad God made it physically impossible for us to do so completely.
-- Posted by Event Horizon at 3:47 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 12:20 pm on Oct. 25, 2008
1. Asdkfh: I would re-word your point. 2. Regardless of that, you can't say "God is not good because there is suffering now". The suffering we are facing might be the way to a level of good unparalleled by anything prior to it. Our ignorance disallows the argument of "suffering exists now". Hell, Perfect goodness might be more torturous than the level we have now, you have zero idea on the matter. With that said, OP, saying "let's debate" accomplishes nothing. Perhaps if you'd pose a question, and it is specific enough to create a legitimate debate, several of us will jump in and start debating. From experience on here, discussions typically start out with several people, then by page two or three bog down to maybe 2-4 people actively and intelligently debating. If you want a one on one, go to PM. Just start a topic like most people, if the question is good enough for a legitimate debate [not a silly one like, "Is god omniscient?" that is so broad it is meaningless] then most of the people who you don't want replying, wont. It will simply be to complex or specific and not worth the time.
-- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 6:41 pm on Oct. 25, 2008 Quote: from Asdkfh of Kisdfoguid at 6:41 pm on Oct. 25, 2008
No, but most believe that God has a better purpose that comes out of tragedy since He is, after all, all-knowing and can see the bigger picture that we can't. |
I'm looking for an Atheist vs. Theist debate. I am a theist. I'm looking for a topic on this forum to be closed to anyone posting but me and another person (the person I will be debating). 