Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances. If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. -- Posted by blufindr at 8:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 There is no nothing. Once you define it, it is now something. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 There is no nothing. Once you define it, it is now something. exactly the paradox, meaning that god is also: nothing. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:27 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao ahh, would you believe that god is not a being, but a force instead? a verb rather than a noun? -- Posted by The Wolfhound at 8:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 We can argue for hours. If a God is, in fact, perfect, there is no way you can comprehend it with your feeble mind. I mean human, not your personal - so no offence. Moreover, there're couple theories like that. If got is omnipotent, he must be able to create a rock so huge and heavy, he himself won't be able to lift it. If he doesn't do either, he must not be omnipotent. My point of view on God, religions, reincarnation, all stuffs like that: all is theoretical - if there's no possible indication any of this exists - it cannot because there' noone to prove it. More easily understandable - if you can't prove there's God, it doesn't matter whether he exists or not. If you don't remember you past life - there's no difference between there being reincarnation and not. Don't start those topics - they always lead to fights, since noone can ever prove their point... -- Posted by Catzcore at 8:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 god is a fake -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:27 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao ahh, would you believe that god is not a being, but a force instead? a verb rather than a noun? I repeat, God is everything. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from The Wolfhound at 11:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 We can argue for hours. If a God is, in fact, perfect, there is no way you can comprehend it with your feeble mind. I mean human, not your personal - so no offence. Moreover, there're couple theories like that. If got is omnipotent, he must be able to create a rock so huge and heavy, he himself won't be able to lift it. If he doesn't do either, he must not be omnipotent. My point of view on God, religions, reincarnation, all stuffs like that: all is theoretical - if there's no possible indication any of this exists - it cannot because there' noone to prove it. More easily understandable - if you can't prove there's God, it doesn't matter whether he exists or not. If you don't remember you past life - there's no difference between there being reincarnation and not. Don't start those topics - they always lead to fights, since noone can ever prove their point... i believe it is my right to look for a good fight. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:29 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:27 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao ahh, would you believe that god is not a being, but a force instead? a verb rather than a noun? I repeat, God is everything. everything is a noun lol -- Posted by The Wolfhound at 8:29 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Force is a noun :-P Beings are imperfect by definition, since they have no physical form. If God is force, he is unconscious, and pretty much as all-powerful as the Gravity.... -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:30 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:29 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:27 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao ahh, would you believe that god is not a being, but a force instead? a verb rather than a noun? I repeat, God is everything. everything is a noun lol Thanks for the English lesson? Just think about it. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:30 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from The Wolfhound at 11:29 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Force is not a noun :-P Beings are imperfect by definition, since they have no physical form. If God is force, he is unconscious, and pretty much as all-powerful as the Gravity.... forces dont have gender.. and gravity is weak. =P lol Force is a noun buddy -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:31 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:30 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:29 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:27 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:26 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:25 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. do you believe in a devil as well? I believe in the Tao ahh, would you believe that god is not a being, but a force instead? a verb rather than a noun? I repeat, God is everything. everything is a noun lol Thanks for the English lesson? Just think about it. i know. "everything" is a noun, but not every thing. -- Posted by The Wolfhound at 8:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Cut it out. None can prove anything. I'm agnostic, and I like it. I just don't care. Topics like these lead to nothing. Maybe ban :-P -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. He is the alpha and omega. He is the black and the white. He is all-encompassing. He cannot be defined. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:34 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from The Wolfhound at 11:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Cut it out. None can prove anything. I'm agnostic, and I like it. I just don't care. Topics like these lead to nothing. Maybe ban :-P I was joking... i dont care either. this is nowhere near ban strength, it's a debate of philosophy and language apparently. i'm not trying to prove anything, just broaden my own perspective. If you dont like it, leave. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:35 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. He is the alpha and omega. He is the black and the white. He is all-encompassing. He cannot be defined. even though by using the pronoun "he" you just gave god a gender and a body. -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 8:36 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:35 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. He is the alpha and omega. He is the black and the white. He is all-encompassing. He cannot be defined. even though by using the pronoun "he" you just gave god a gender and a body. Habit. I was raised Christian. -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:36 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 8:35 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 11:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 God is everything. He is the alpha and omega. He is the black and the white. He is all-encompassing. He cannot be defined. even though by using the pronoun "he" you just gave god a gender and a body. Habit. I was raised Christian. i understand, just a funny oversight. lol. -- Posted by The Wolfhound at 8:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Haha, good point. And, anonymous, I did not mean you'd be banned. I'm just saying ppl tend to fight and curse over this, report each other. Ends up with ban. I meant no offence to you and your topic... -- Posted by Anonymous at 8:38 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Quote: from The Wolfhound at 11:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Haha, good point. And, anonymous, I did not mean you'd be banned. I'm just saying ppl tend to fight and curse over this, report each other. Ends up with ban. I meant no offence to you and your topic... oh it's alright, this is pretty benign as a matter of fact. i'm not really looking for a fight, just some intellectual conversation i cant get with my gf really... -- Posted by The Nowhere Man at 10:37 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Wow, because we haven't heard that argument over 9000 times on this forum alone. And my view is that all religions worship some aspect of the same one God, pantheons represent multiple facets (or similar beings to angels). Or perhaps monotheists are the ones that don't have it quite right, and it's actually a pantheon. I guess I'm something of an agnostic theist but I avoid saying that because people don't know what agnostic actually means. Whatever. -- Posted by obvious child at 1:10 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 5:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.     If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. You are trying to dig a hole through solid steel. Applying logic and reason to deities is a futile effort. Gods are inherently illogical and nonsensical. -- Posted by King Kong at 3:59 am on Nov. 2, 2008 the devil exsits for balance . yin and yang -- Posted by mysticgohan at 4:34 am on Nov. 2, 2008 What you consider evil and what "God" considers evil are two different things. -- Posted by TheOtherHorseman at 5:08 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.     If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. I think your paradox might stem from your self-made definition of perfection. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 8:13 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:08 am on Nov. 2, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:24 pm on Oct. 31, 2008 Many MANY religions insist that god is perfect, and yet the ultimate good. if perfect represents all-encompassing, than isn't God evil as well? and insane? and immoral? in some instances.    If so, the devil cant exist, because the opposite of god would be nothingness. I think your paradox might stem from your self-made definition of perfection. This. Pages: 1 2  Next