Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Elm at 12:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Have I done good? Is it possible to do good with another person's money? -- Posted by switchfoot52 at 12:14 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 ur robin hood -- Posted by fleastar at 12:14 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 sure it depends but u did what you wanted to do -- Posted by Sunshine Buddy at 12:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No, you did bad. Stealing is a crime. -- Posted by Faded Beauty Queen at 12:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I'm interested to find out how you'd steal a house. -- Posted by Elm at 12:16 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Faded Beauty Queen at 12:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I'm interested to find out how you'd steal a house. I steal from someone who has a house.  Nothing in there even alludes to stealing the house itself. -- Posted by physicsmajor at 12:17 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 You're a democrat. You're not Robin hood because they earned that money, not by stealing it from the poor wit unfair taxes. Even if you did good things with that money you have already commited crimes. You are unjust working to what you believe is a just end. -- Posted by HaitianGURL67 at 12:17 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from switchfoot52 at 12:14 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 ur robin hood Yeah a Gangster one.   -- Posted by mycuteFIEND at 12:20 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No, that's not okay. -- Posted by Faded Beauty Queen at 12:20 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Elm at 8:16 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Faded Beauty Queen at 12:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I'm interested to find out how you'd steal a house. I steal from someone who has a house. Nothing in there even alludes to stealing the house itself. Ha, my mistake. You'd go to prison. -- Posted by GmanXXVI at 12:35 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 well then will you go ahead and steal the newly stolen house from the newly apponted homeowners and give it to the newly apointed homless people (i.e the prior owners) on the account they now have no house?  It could go on forever. Maybe for someone who has some to share--ie mccain with his 7 multi-million dollar homes-- that i would support! -- Posted by PrideAndJoy at 12:37 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 So people should not pay any taxes what so ever, yes? -- Posted by Savior at 12:40 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 It depends on the circumstances of course. Of course doing things lawfully is almost always preferable to doing things illegally so it would be best to pass laws to that effect instead of resorting to theft. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 12:44 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Savior at 2:40 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 It depends on the circumstances of course. Of course doing things lawfully is almost always preferable to doing things illegally so it would be best to pass laws to that effect instead of resorting to theft. Ah, just make it legal to steal from home owners if the reason is to give to non home owners and it will be perfectly fine. No theft, no crime. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 1:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor through employer extortion. -- Posted by Elm at 1:10 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 1:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor. Exactly which is to say I would be a thief and the harm done by destroying property cannot be overcome by handing it to another. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 1:11 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor through employer extortion. How does that work? -- Posted by GeneCosta at 1:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. -- Posted by Elm at 1:14 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 1:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. See you get half the picture and you get the underlying problems - why do you keep blinding yourself to the other half? -- Posted by Forever Angel at 1:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. That explains nothing. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 1:27 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Elm at 1:14 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 1:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. See you get half the picture and you get the underlying problems - why do you keep blinding yourself to the other half? What other half? I find minarchists like Friedman more despicable than honest welfare policies. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 1:29 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. That explains nothing. If you want bulletins: - Subsidies - Patents - Copyrights - Corporate charters (corporations) - Large auctions - Absentee landlords - Monopoly of capitalism via rigid property system - General business intrusion in personal affairs - Business intrusion in government -- Posted by Forever Angel at 4:03 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:29 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:15 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:13 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 The state and its entire relationship with commercial enterprise. That explains nothing. If you want bulletins: - Subsidies   - Patents - Copyrights - Corporate charters (corporations) - Large auctions - Absentee landlords   - Monopoly of capitalism via rigid property system - General business intrusion in personal affairs - Business intrusion in government Is that somehow supposed to explain this: Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor through employer extortion. ?? -- Posted by GoReadAFuckingBook1 at 5:02 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:11 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor through employer extortion. How does that work? http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm Read up.   I didn't think we really had to spell it out for you, but I guess you haven't ever read about the subject thoroughly enough to understand the Marxist perspective.   -- Posted by Forever Angel at 5:32 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GoReadAFuckingBook1 at 7:02 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:11 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from GeneCosta at 3:09 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 No better or worse than when you steal the fruits of my labor through employer extortion. How does that work? http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm Read up. I didn't think we really had to spell it out for you, but I guess you haven't ever read about the subject thoroughly enough to understand the Marxist perspective. What do you do to make a living? If you have an employer, how does he 'steal the fruits of your labor'? -- Posted by PrideAndJoy at 5:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 These analogies really do not apply. I saw one of a similar vein on someone's facebook...  went something like this: "some guy was walking to dinner and say a homeless Obama supporter outside. Then went to dinner and saw a waiter with an Obama tie. He didn't give the waiter any tip, instead saying he was giving it to the Obama supporter outside. He went outside gave it to the bum and told him to thank the waiter." Something along those lines (apparently it actually happened). However, if the story were to actually be analogous to Obama's plan, he would be tipping the waiter 25%, and then taking the 5% of that tip and giving it to the bum. It is not robbing someone of their entire paycheck...   it is taking extra money that they should not need and investing it into government programs that help the rest of us that need a helping hand. I still fail to see why people making half a million dollars can complain about that. It's mind boggling. Will your life REALLY be that much harder by being taxed 3 more percent on the amount of money you are making over $250,000? Will it really effect you that much? I want a serious answer, for those of you making that much money. -- Posted by Forever Angel at 5:57 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from PrideAndJoy at 7:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I still fail to see why people making half a million dollars can complain about that. It's mind boggling. Will your life REALLY be that much harder by being taxed 3 more percent on the amount of money you are making over $250,000? Will it really effect you that much? I want a serious answer, for those of you making that much money. It won't affect me at all. I have no "income", all I have is "capital gains". -- Posted by PrideAndJoy at 6:06 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:57 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from PrideAndJoy at 7:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I still fail to see why people making half a million dollars can complain about that. It's mind boggling. Will your life REALLY be that much harder by being taxed 3 more percent on the amount of money you are making over $250,000? Will it really effect you that much?    I want a serious answer, for those of you making that much money. It won't affect me at all. I have no "income", all I have is "capital gains". Ask your daddy, honey. -- Posted by Savior at 8:25 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from PrideAndJoy at 5:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I want a serious answer, for those of you making that much money. No. An extra 3% in taxes would not effect my family adversely. -- Posted by PrideAndJoy at 8:51 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from Savior at 8:25 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 Quote: from PrideAndJoy at 5:46 pm on Nov. 3, 2008 I want a serious answer, for those of you making that much money. No. An extra 3% in taxes would not effect my family adversely. Thank you. It's hard for me to say if I would still support Obama's tax plan if I were making $300,000 a year; I would like to think that I still would. Here's a better analogy for you Elm; let's take the classic GPA example Conservatives always love to use, though they never correctly use it. The classic is "give me .5 of your GPA so I can have a 4.0" This is how the real analogy would present itself; I have a 4.5 GPA (assuming the max is a 4), while you have a .5 GPA. Would I mind giving you .3 of my GPA so you don't fail out of college and spend the rest of your life suffering? No I would not. I don't know your extenuating life circumstances which would account for your poor GPA; you could be lazy, or you could've suffered tremendous losses, say your parents dying, which could have attributed to you doing poorly on a final exam, drastically hurting your grades. In reality, it's taking a small percentage of money from those at the tip top, and giving it to people at the bottom. Elm, you and Ron Paul can continue to assert that charity will solve all of our problems, but the rest of us will realize that charity just doesn't cut it (it never has), and that sometimes, people need to be regulated. If you were a teacher, and you had two children fighting over toys, one of the children with seven toys and the other with none, what would you do? Would you just say, oh, that's the market, he got the toys first, he worked hard to find them, he deserves them, even though he can't even make use of all of his toys? Taxes are a necessity. There is no getting around it. Those who have seen more success from the American system should pay more money back into it. I don't know if you'd rather have a flat tax or what, but America's poor are screwed enough by a flat sales tax, among other things. Pages: 1 2  Next