Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by jakelong at 10:46 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Race played less of a role in the election than age, exit polls showed. While Obama is projected to be the nation's first black president, John McCain would have been the oldest person ever elected to the nation's highest office. Twice as many of those polled Tuesday said age was an important factor in their vote as those who said race was. Among those factoring age into their vote, 78 percent went for Obama to 21 percent for McCain, exit polls showed. Those who said race was an important factor voted 55 percent to 44 percent in favor of Obama. But Obama also was the winner by a similar margin among those who said race was not important, "which suggests that race was not a decisive factor in this election," Schneider said. We are turning a page I think http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/index.html -- Posted by cheesygod at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 What are you talking about? THIS WAS A RACE -- Posted by iceman89 at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Quote: from cheesygod at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 What are you talking about? THIS WAS A RACE who won? -- Posted by jakelong at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Obama won -- Posted by kill the bitch at 10:48 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 the only reason i didn't vote for mccain was because of palin.....if mccain died and palin became president i wouldn't have been a happy camper...so yes age played a part to the extent -- Posted by KeiDesTat at 10:48 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 thats one of the main reasons mccain lost, many people who would've voted for him didn't because they were afraid that if something did happen to him then the one who'd be in office would be PALIN!!!   -- Posted by cheesygod at 10:48 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Quote: from iceman89 at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Quote: from cheesygod at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 What are you talking about?    THIS WAS A RACE who won? Bush because he's at the white house right now! YEAAAHHH BUSH!!!! BUSH 08 -- Posted by x FENRIS x at 10:48 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Quote: from iceman89 at 5:47 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 Quote: from cheesygod at 10:47 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 What are you talking about?    THIS WAS A RACE who won? Duh. Obama. By a landslide. -- Posted by jakelong at 10:49 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 No one ever reads announcements? http://golivewire.com/forums/topic.cgi -- Posted by pineappleorchid at 10:50 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 yes race did matter -- Posted by Catacomb at 10:53 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 thats so dumb race was everything -- Posted by jakelong at 11:14 pm on Nov. 4, 2008 Nope 2/3 of those who claimed that race mattered voted FOR Obama 2/3 of those who claimed that race did NOT matter ALSO voted FOR Obama -- Posted by kidd rune at 1:32 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 I don't know where you're all getting the idea that this is changing race relations - they weren't as bad as many think they were to start with. Sure, some people voted racially consciously (not necessarily out of THEIR racism though) but not many, as I said. How do you know that, if race wasn't a factor, they would've changed their decision? -- Posted by baby tee at 3:31 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 i think both race and age was -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:00 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 Another thing - I checked out Stormfront due to the election to see everbodies stance. And it seems that so many people went there that it crashed. It came BACK online, but there are A LOT of new members. Maybe this election CREATED something... -- Posted by LoveKay at 6:31 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 Everybody with the exception of a couple of people who I know voted for McCain did so because they did not want Obama for the reason because he is a "nigger", as they all said it. Which is why our state mostly voted for McCain. If I would have voted, I would have voted Obama but hey, he's president anyway, sweet! -- Posted by jakelong at 7:37 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 You guys voted for the US president in Ukraine?   (j/k) Well yeah race was an issue for stupid racists fucks thats for sure. We knew that. Its just that overall it was much LESS and issue than age. And that was GOOD.         And don't worry the rest of the US did the right thing. -- Posted by Tyrant at 3:39 am on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from cheesygod at 12:47 am on Nov. 5, 2008 What are you talking about? THIS WAS A RACE i didn't see either one running anywhere -- Posted by kidd rune at 12:30 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Well yeah race was an issue for stupid racists fucks thats for sure. We knew that. Its just that overall it was much LESS and issue than age. And that was GOOD. Jakelong, maybe they voted racially - not because THEY were racist - but because they think too many people in the USA are. -- Posted by Chava at 12:41 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 I think race was an issue as were many other things. But it isn't a coincidence that more black people came to vote this election than in any other election. And most of the votes even among wealthy blacks were for Obama. Yeah it played a part but it turned out in favor of Obama instead against him. -- Posted by jakelong at 4:38 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 1:32 pm on Nov. 5, 2008 I don't know where you're all getting the idea that this is changing race relations I don't get where you read that in any of my post in this thread Sure, some people voted racially consciously (not necessarily out of THEIR racism though) but not many, as I said.   Again not the point here. How do you know that, if race wasn't a factor, they would've changed their decision? The SAME proportion of ppl who said it matter voted for Obama as those who said it did not matter. So it was not a decisive factor. -- Posted by jakelong at 4:45 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 12:30 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Jakelong, maybe they voted racially - not because THEY were racist - but because they think too many people in the USA are. For racist fucks it matters. so you have to be racist to think that race matters but it sure helps .   -- Posted by kidd rune at 5:02 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 I don't get where you read that in any of my post in this thread I am saying "You all" as a large portion of the USA. A lot of multiculti-lovers are saying "We have an African-American president! Now people will stop being racist!" In reality, I think it's adding more "Racism." The SAME proportion of ppl who said it matter voted for Obama as those who said it did not matter. So it was not a decisive factor. Isn't proof at all. If they had a poll "Would you have chosen the same candidate if they were both the same race?" would have needed to exist - and you still can't be sure everyone would admit to it. For racist fucks it matters. so you have to be racist to think that race matters but it sure helps . What's your point? I'm sure many people that WERE NOT racist voted McCain because of his race. I'm sure many people that WERE NOT racist voted Obama because of his race. -- Posted by jakelong at 5:12 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:02 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 A lot of multiculti-lovers are saying "We have an African-American president! Now people will stop being racist!" Nobody really believe all racism will stop just because Obama is president, What it is is saying that its a sign that things are changing and obstacles have been removed. Its a mind thing mostly. In reality, I think it's adding more "Racism." From ppl who are ALREADY racist and didn't know it usually. Isn't proof at all. Yes it is. If they had a poll "Would you have chosen the same candidate if they were both the same race?" would have needed to exist - and you still can't be sure everyone would admit to it. Since its all about "admitting the point is moot. The FACT is 55% of ppl who said it matterd voted FOR obama 55% of those who said it didn't matter ALSO voted for Obama.   So race was NOT a factor in the results overall. Why? Because if it doesn't change the vote one or another then its NOT really a facotr OVERALL.   Obviously for some ppl it was a factor (those who said it mattered) What's your point? That being racist is GURANTEED to make ppl vote racially. But voting racially don't mean you racist.   Got problem reading? -- Posted by kidd rune at 5:22 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Nobody really believe all racism will stop just because Obama is president, What it is is saying that its a sign that things are changing and obstacles have been removed. Its a mind thing mostly. In all reality, I think race relations are getting worse. From ppl who are ALREADY racist and didn't know it usually. Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure you're the master of racism and human attitudes Jakelong. Yes it is. No, it isn't. It could merely be a coincidence, or the most racial voters chose not to bubble in the "I voted racially" bubble. Since its all about "admitting the point is moot. The FACT is 55% of ppl who said it matterd voted FOR obama 55% of those who said it didn't matter ALSO voted for Obama.   So race was NOT a factor in the results overall. Why? Because if it doesn't change the vote one or another then its NOT really a facotr OVERALL.   Obviously for some ppl it was a factor (those who said it mattered) Again, you're insisting that every told the exact truth. 47% of people that said race relations would "Get better" - 70% of them voted Obama. That's not 53%, is it? What you CAN say is that 53% of the people that ADMITTED that race was a factor voted Obama. Remember, 19% of Americans said that it was a factor, 9% of them saying it was an important one. In my opinion, these are a bit off - I don't believe everyone would admit to it - precisely to "prove" that one president (be it McCain or Obama) didn't get in because of his race. That being racist is GURANTEED to make ppl vote racially. But voting racially don't mean you racist. Got problem reading? I don't believe that being racist makes you 100% sure that you will vote racially. But I do agree, as I've said, voting racially doesn't make you racist, and many non-racists voted racially. -- Posted by jakelong at 5:42 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:22 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 In all reality, I think race relations are getting worse. Thats why ppl all races were dancing in the street when Obama got elected? Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure you're the master of racism and human attitudes Jakelong. You are usally the one declaring who is this race or who is that race. So you are more into labelling. It could merely be a coincidence, or the most racial voters chose not to bubble in the "I voted racially" bubble. If they chose not to bubble it,  they STILL voted exaclty the same in proportion as Obama. So overall NOT a factor as far as the results are. Again, you're insisting that every told the exact truth. No it does NOT matter if they did or not since the results were the SAME.   What you CAN say is that 53% of the people that ADMITTED that race was a factor voted Obama. It was 55%. But the point is that  55% of those who said it was NOT a factor voted the same. So what does it matter if they lied or not. The result was the SAME!!! I don't believe everyone would admit to it Again whether they admit or not DONT matter since the results are the SAME. Man you really dont get it. "prove" that one president (be it McCain or Obama) didn't get in because of his race. I wasn't trying to "prove" that. I said the results were not INFLUENCED by race factor since ppl who claimed to care voted the same as ppl who didn't care. I don't believe that being racist makes you 100% sure that you will vote racially. Actually being racist make it 100% sure that race matters to them. How they vote is a differnt thing but I bet it influences how they vote. But if they decide to vote AGAINST their racist idea its a good thing in fact. There is a differenece between racist belief and racist action I grant you. -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:41 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 Thats why ppl all races were dancing in the street when Obama got elected?   And that's why people are "Storming" into Stormfront giving it more traffic than ever before. Google trends of "Stormfront" searched in the last 30 days. The same on "White Power". KKK looks the same as "White Power" Pretty improving on the race relations - don't ya think? Check out all the new Stormfront members - if it doesn't crash again. You are usally the one declaring who is this race or who is that race. So you are more into labelling. I'm not the one labeling people "Racist" though - as if I know all of their thoughts. If they chose not to bubble it,  they STILL voted exaclty the same in proportion as Obama. So overall NOT a factor as far as the results are. You don't understand what I'm saying. If 1/2 of the people that voted Obama because he's Black didn't admit it (hypothetically speaking) - would they STILL be the same? No it does NOT matter if they did or not since the results were the SAME. Yes, it does. If a shit load of people lied on the race question - the stats are INCORRECT. Man you really dont get it. I KNOW what the stats said... I wasn't trying to "prove" that. I said the results were not INFLUENCED by race factor since ppl who claimed to care voted the same as ppl who didn't care. The people that ADMITTED to be influenced by race voted the same. Keyword:ADMITTED Actually being racist make it 100% sure that race matters to them. How they vote is a differnt thing but I bet it influences how they vote. But if they decide to vote AGAINST their racist idea its a good thing in fact. There is a differenece between racist belief and racist action I grant you. A White Supremacist (at least one) voted for Obama because he thinks that if McCain got elected it would've been the largest "Chimp-out" ever. -- Posted by jakelong at 12:57 am on Nov. 7, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:41 pm on Nov. 6, 2008 And that's why people are "Storming" into Stormfront giving it more traffic than ever before.  The same on "White Power". KKK looks the same as "White Power" Those who are ALREADY racist are storming stormfront to vent their stupid shit what do you expect. But sure in order to make sure racists are happy and stay happy we gotta keep the N*** down right?   Pretty improving on the race relations - don't ya think? Who are you blamin those who are racists or those who simply voice their NON-racism? Oh yeah its easier to blame the non racists... I'm not the one labeling people "Racist" though - as if I know all of their thoughts. But you are quick to label ppl by teir race w/o knowing their genetic makeup. If 1/2 of the people that voted Obama because he's Black didn't admit it (hypothetically speaking) - would they STILL be the same? The 1/2 who did not admit their real reason was counted as part of those who CLAIMED race was NOT an issue. WE saw that NO MATTER WHAT it was still the SAME proportion 55% Obama 45% McCain. IF THERE was a DIFFERENCE in proportiona between those who ADMITTED and those who DID NOT THEN you could say there a skew and its no proof. But the proportions are the SAME. -------------------------------------- I don't know HOW the poll was worded but from what the article said it was not "Do you vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black?" That would be much too skewed, It was more like Question 1. Is race important for you in making your decision yes/no Question 5. Who are you voting for as president? [List of candidates] They tally the results of those who voted Yes on Question 1 Found 55% for Obama for Question 5 No on Question 1 Found 55% for Obama for Question 5 Does not matter how many said yes or no on Question 1 the result on Question 5 was the same in proportion. So the answer to Question 1 was NOT a factor. It had NO effect on the answer to Question 5. So it does not matter who lied and who didn't on Question 1. IF those who voted yes on Q1 had 55% for Obama and those who voted no on Q1 had 45% for Obama THEN YES race WOULD be a factor EVEN if ppl lied about it. And yes in that case it would be important to worry about how many lied. Or at least we can't make the claim that race was not an issue no matter what ppl said. But thats NOT the case here. The porportions WERE the SAME Get it now? I KNOW what the stats said... You seem to have trouble understanding what they mean though. The people that ADMITTED to be influenced by race voted the same. And the people that ADMITTED NOT to be influenced by race voted the same! Those who DID NOT ADMIT to be influenced ADMITTED by default to NOT be influenced. Either way the result is the same so you're just going in circles again. A White Supremacist (at least one) voted for Obama because he thinks that if McCain got elected it would've been the largest "Chimp-out" ever. He probably reaoned that the devil he knows is better than the devil he doesn't know (not knowing he might be the devil himself of course) -- Posted by jakelong at 2:20 am on Nov. 7, 2008 Oh about your silly theory about stormfront this is prolly what happened David duke was having a webcast on stormfront called Obamanation on Nov 6 so a bunch of ppl prolly joined in for the lolz. It jammed the site which is really even more lolz. I also bet the place was slammed by denial of service attacks.   -- Posted by kidd rune at 12:52 pm on Nov. 7, 2008 Those who are ALREADY racist are storming stormfront to vent their stupid shit what do you expect. But sure in order to make sure racists are happy and stay happy we gotta keep the N*** down right? Maybe the election turned them racist - or maybe they AREN'T racist, just becoming WN's. Who are you blamin those who are racists or those who simply voice their NON-racism? Oh yeah its easier to blame the non racists... Blaming for what? But you are quick to label ppl by teir race w/o knowing their genetic makeup. You can moderately tell the race of someone by looking at them - and their personality hints at it. I'm not "Quick to label" them either. And genetic tests aren't advanced enough to tell the race of someone yet - we haven't mapped each gene to each population yet. The fact is - you tend to call people racist when there is no proof of them being that - you can't SEE it. You can't KNOW if they're racist. Race itself can be, somewhat, seen. Race isn't limited to phenotype, but it plays the major role in race. The 1/2 who did not admit their real reason was counted as part of those who CLAIMED race was NOT an issue. WE saw that NO MATTER WHAT it was still the SAME proportion 55% Obama 45% McCain. IF THERE was a DIFFERENCE in proportiona between those who ADMITTED and those who DID NOT THEN you could say there a skew and its no proof. But the proportions are the SAME. What if 1/2 of the people that voted Obama because he's a Negro didn't admit it? THEN, the TRUE results would be different. We'll never know, but I'm surprised that you trust the "Honesty" of the average American. I don't know HOW the poll was worded but from what the article said it was not "Do you vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black?" That would be much too skewed, It was more like Question 1. Is race important for you in making your decision yes/no Question 5. Who are you voting for as president? [List of candidates] They tally the results of those who voted Yes on Question 1 Found 55% for Obama for Question 5 No on Question 1 Found 55% for Obama for Question 5 Does not matter how many said yes or no on Question 1 the result on Question 5 was the same in proportion. So the answer to Question 1 was NOT a factor. It had NO effect on the answer to Question 5. So it does not matter who lied and who didn't on Question 1. IF those who voted yes on Q1 had 55% for Obama and those who voted no on Q1 had 45% for Obama THEN YES race WOULD be a factor EVEN if ppl lied about it. And yes in that case it would be important to worry about how many lied. Or at least we can't make the claim that race was not an issue no matter what ppl said. But thats NOT the case here. The porportions WERE the SAME Get it now? I fully understand what you're saying Jakelong - and I thought it at first too. I'm saying that if enough people lied, the statistics would be incorrect. You don't know if the proportion of liars is equal to the proportion of truth-tellers. Maybe 1/2 of the people that voted Obama because he was Black didn't admit it (hypothetically speaking). Then, the results are incorrect. The same can be said for McCain voters too. You seem to have trouble understanding what they mean though. You seem to have trouble understanding that you're putting your trust on the honesty of the average American. And the people that ADMITTED NOT to be influenced by race voted the same! Those who DID NOT ADMIT to be influenced ADMITTED by default to NOT be influenced. Either way the result is the same so you're just going in circles again. No, it's NOT a circle. You seem to not understand that maybe a lot of people lied, and the proportion doesn't necessarily hold true for each candidate and his lying supporters. Let's say that, in all actuality, 35% of voters had race as a factor. and, out of those 35%, 65% voted for Obama. That would be unequal. Now, those could be 100% true (I doubt they are) but it's a possibility. But if that's how it went, a large portion of Obama supporters that voted racially LIED ON THEIR BALLOT - and (in my example) the McCain supporters didn't lie as much. Oh about your silly theory about stormfront this is prolly what happened David duke was having a webcast on stormfront called Obamanation on Nov 6 so a bunch of ppl prolly joined in for the lolz. It jammed the site which is really even more lolz. I also bet the place was slammed by denial of service attacks. Don Black announced that it wasn't a DDOS attack (some people had the same idea as you) and they forced everyone to register to view the forums. One of the members said it was probably a bunch of Negroes trying to spam the forum - but the mods (mods have to approve of new users' posts) said that it was almost all Whites that were AGAINST the "Obamanation." Pages: 1 2  Next