Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Bearsy at 10:52 am on Nov. 13, 2008 I don't think so. This is an informal poll. -- Posted by Energizer Bunny at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Couldnt get your way again, eh? -- Posted by Bearsy at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Because I believe it's different from when you file a blank one that's like, "This is against _________" vs if you just press "send moderation report error" on the mod message. -- Posted by rosebud at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 i dont think they are actually, a mod told me that once but i forget who or why -- Posted by Bearsy at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Couldnt get your way again, eh? No this is an open discussion. -- Posted by barnabas at 10:55 am on Nov. 13, 2008 WE are not allowed to close their own MERS. the system wont let US. Someone else has to. Better Shaun? -- Posted by wOlF at 10:55 am on Nov. 13, 2008 We are not, and we definitely shouldn't be able to.  Certain circumstances would make it okay (i.e a troll saying "FUCK U UR FUCKING GAY SUCK MY DICK) but there are enough moderators that they get closed quickly enough where it isn't an issue. -- Posted by whoisabs at 10:55 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from rosebud at 10:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 i dont think they are actually, a mod told me that once but i forget who or why Yeah, this is old news. -- Posted by Catacomb at 10:55 am on Nov. 13, 2008 i dont think so either but if they cant they've figured a way to beat the system -- Posted by Periwinkle at 10:56 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from rosebud at 6:53 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 i dont think they are actually, a mod told me that once but i forget who or why No, we can't. I support that 100%: members submit them because they think a certain moderator was wrong and so for them to be valid in any way, they need to be closed by a different mod. -- Posted by Energizer Bunny at 10:56 am on Nov. 13, 2008 I think they should stop covering each other's backs. I reported one moderation error 'cos one mod was blatently mis-using their ability to re-add a topic to the Fresh topics section, blatently doing it for attention. Which i addressed in the topic, which was then removed under 'no contribution' In their reply, they didn't even address my argument that they OBVIOUSLY abused power, and just stated if they feel need to add topics to fresh topics, than they can. Retards. Thats all i have to say. -- Posted by Fountain of Salmacis at 11:04 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 11:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Couldnt get your way again, eh? Apparently not. -- Posted by rosebud at 11:07 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Fountain of Salmacis at 6:04 am on Nov. 14, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 11:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Couldnt get your way again, eh? Apparently not. even though it has been agreed upon by everybody who has posted in this topic (who actually addressed the question) that no, mods shouldn't be allowed to close their own MERs? among those who agreed were three moderators. why exactly are you making this about her? -- Posted by iconoclast at 11:20 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Fountain of Salmacis at 2:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 11:53 am on Nov. 13, 2008 Couldnt get your way again, eh? Apparently not. hahahaha you look like you just came out of brokeback mountain -- Posted by GdFtherOFCOWS at 11:58 am on Nov. 13, 2008 If I ever had a MER on me, I would write up a response and tell a mod to close it with that. -- Posted by The Professional at 2:03 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from Energizer Bunny at 12:56 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 I think they should stop covering each other's backs. I reported one moderation error 'cos one mod was blatently mis-using their ability to re-add a topic to the Fresh topics section, blatently doing it for attention. Which i addressed in the topic, which was then removed under 'no contribution'   In their reply, they didn't even address my argument that they OBVIOUSLY abused power, and just stated if they feel need to add topics to fresh topics, than they can.   Retards.   Thats all i have to say. Just to speak briefly about this, I can say with complete honesty that mods -do not- cover each other's backs.  You guys would seriously be surprised at how often mods will defend a member when we feel something unfair or improper has happened.  I can think of both recent and past cases where mods fought tooth and nail to clear improper warnings, improper deletions, improper bannings, and everything in between. By and large, we have an excellent check and balance system. As far as the situation you're speaking about, it's difficult for me to really judge because everything is different in context.  However, if it's the situation I think you're talking about, it (improper refreshing) was actually brought up and sorted out. -- Posted by iconoclast at 3:38 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 mods do sometimes cover each others backs, after being here for 3+years this is obvious, but not all the time -- Posted by The Professional at 5:13 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:38 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 mods do sometimes cover each others backs, after being here for 3+years this is obvious, but not all the time Do you have any -recent- examples of abuse that was covered up by other mods? (Recent meaning since I've been on the mod team, since I can't speak about times before that.) -- Posted by iconoclast at 6:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 8:13 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:38 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 mods do sometimes cover each others backs, after being here for 3+years this is obvious, but not all the time Do you have any -recent- examples of abuse that was covered up by other mods? (Recent meaning since I've been on the mod team, since I can't speak about times before that.) yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did -- Posted by The Professional at 6:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did Hss, you're smarter than that.  I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations. -- Posted by iconoclast at 6:09 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did   Hss, you're smarter than that.  I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations. okay, half the topics you deleted (which was a huge fucking amount) id get a bullshit closing by some fuckass mod about ten seconds later, have to go message a certain mod to get them put back and go through all this unnecessary crap i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy i could go on and fucking on -- Posted by The Professional at 6:19 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:09 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did Hss, you're smarter than that. I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations. okay, half the topics you deleted (which was a huge fucking amount) id get a bullshit closing by some fuckass mod about ten seconds later, have to go message a certain mod to get them put back and go through all this unnecessary crap i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy i could go on and fucking on This is the type of stuff that just seems silly to me.  Because you don't -agree- with the removal of something, it means it's abuse?  Could it not be that those MERs were closed in my favor because I acted correctly? At any rate, something that has always confused me...  When an entire mod team is corrupted, corruption and ass covering would be done all the time whenever we felt like doing something.  Why, if abuse is so rampant, are there times when we will correct mistakes made by moderators?  Basically, why are there days when we "cover eachothers asses," yet other days when we will reverse actions made by other mods? -- Posted by iconoclast at 6:36 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:19 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:09 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:04 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from prisoner of hss at 8:01 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 yeah, one example being tons of stuff with insertnamehere, and some of the crap you did Hss, you're smarter than that. I asked for examples, not more broad, baseless accusations. okay, half the topics you deleted (which was a huge fucking amount) id get a bullshit closing by some fuckass mod about ten seconds later, have to go message a certain mod to get them put back and go through all this unnecessary crap i got two informal warnings from you for complete bullshit reasons and many covered for that, and insertshithere flagrantly abused his powers in terms of deletion because he got upset at being defied (groups, topics, and more shit) and many mods just covered his back katyduck was also a complete whore who demoted people from being support leaders for being 'unsupportive' (usually fairly minor shit) while she herself was a sociopathic cunt, and many mods didnt seem to care about this blatant hypocrisy i could go on and fucking on   This is the type of stuff that just seems silly to me.  Because you don't -agree- with the removal of something, it means it's abuse?  Could it not be that those MERs were closed in my favor because I acted correctly?   At any rate, something that has always confused me...  When an entire mod team is corrupted, corruption and ass covering would be done all the time whenever we felt like doing something.  Why, if abuse is so rampant, are there times when we will correct mistakes made by moderators?  Basically, why are there days when we "cover eachothers asses," yet other days when we will reverse actions made by other mods? well because im not an anal retentive asshole, that tends to be the case in general, ie i pretty much agree with anything reasonable. ive been around long enough to know that warning people for encouraging harm in the depression forum *is* reasonable while accusing people of harassment for making jokes at some other member who doesnt care isnt worth bugging someone over and no, it absolutely couldnt be, because the closings were pithy statements that didnt answer anything i said and sometimes if you try hard enough you can get shit reversed, or if some idiots fucks up real bad and people will look just stupid if they oppose overturning it   more like not all the moderators are idiots, but some are -- Posted by The Professional at 6:37 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 That reasoning doesn't make sense to me.  If I had it out for you badly enough to falsely delete topics, risking my reputation on the mod team and my position, why would I bother to argue your side on certain occasions? -- Posted by iconoclast at 6:39 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:37 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 That reasoning doesn't make sense to me. If I had it out for you badly enough to falsely delete topics, risking my reputation on the mod team and my position, why would I bother to argue your side on certain occasions? because if someone fucks up bad and the majority agrees, youd look like an idiot not to and it hardly risks your reputation, because few people really give a fuck -- Posted by The Professional at 6:50 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 First comment:  Not quite.  I could easily have remained silent, or easily argued the other side (rarely is there no opposition to an argument, it's simple to join the opposing side). Second comment: This just shows you really don't understand how the mod team here works, Hss.  Ask any moderator if "no one gives a shit" when someone abuses their position - I can almost guarantee you'll get the same response from every moderator on the team. -- Posted by iconoclast at 6:56 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 9:50 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 First comment: Not quite. I could easily have remained silent, or easily argued the other side (rarely is there no opposition to an argument, it's simple to join the opposing side). Second comment: This just shows you really don't understand how the mod team here works, Hss. Ask any moderator if "no one gives a shit" when someone abuses their position - I can almost guarantee you'll get the same response from every moderator on the team. well maybe you happened to be on and like arguing, and no, it does seem when a mod does something really really fucking random and stupid theres often unilateral opposition to it or maybe you just think furrypanther is a dumbass like much of the mod team does or other things second: i actually understand a lot more about how this mod shit works than you probably, given how many ive known over the years, and no, for trivial shit like informal warnings and topic deletions where its not a valuable topic anyway they dont really care -- Posted by The Professional at 7:02 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Hss, if I went -out of my way- to abuse you (again, risking my position and reputation), then I'd have to have a pretty strong dislike for you.  The last thing I'd be doing is defending you if I would go to such links to abuse you.  Common sense should tell you this. Second:  If you honestly believe that viewing something from the outside looking in gives you more experience than someone who has almost a year of first hand experience and interaction, then I'm fairly sure there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise - but the idea of that is laughable.  Just because I've been watching politics for 3 years doesn't mean I have more of an understanding than a actual politician.   But, as they say, it's easy to arm-chair quarterback. -- Posted by iconoclast at 7:13 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Quote: from The Professional at 10:02 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Hss, if I went -out of my way- to abuse you (again, risking my position and reputation), then I'd have to have a pretty strong dislike for you. The last thing I'd be doing is defending you if I would go to such links to abuse you. Common sense should tell you this. Second: If you honestly believe that viewing something from the outside looking in gives you more experience than someone who has almost a year of first hand experience and interaction, then I'm fairly sure there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise - but the idea of that is laughable. Just because I've been watching politics for 3 years doesn't mean I have more of an understanding than a actual politician. But, as they say, it's easy to arm-chair quarterback. going "out of your way"? hardly. its easy as fuck to delete a few junk topics and give some bullshit informal warning, especially if a bunch of the mods are morons already and agree. its hardly common sense, you act like this is some big thing, looking like a moron for defending some idiot is much worse than doing some bullshit that no one cares about and yes i do, you sound like one of those who think moderation is some 'special thing', i know pretty much everything about this mod crap because ive spoken extensively to like 20 about it poor comparison - politics involves many things and requires experience, moderation is a joke thanks -- Posted by The Professional at 7:17 pm on Nov. 13, 2008 Okay Hss. Nothing more can really be said, I'd just be repeating myself.  It's rather clear to me, and I'm sure clear to the majority, that you are speaking very much from a outside looking in perspective - and that is hardly ever accurate. 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