-- Posted by olbas at 3:47 am on Nov. 17, 2008 if any of you have a serious question or just a general interest in psychoactive substance i would advise you to join a drug-specific board. so much of the stuff here is unbelievably wrong. Livewire is not the place to go for drug advice, because, surprise, almost nobody here does drugs. http://www.erowid.org everything you'll ever need to know about drugs. Google can help out with forums. -- Posted by mcodeath at 3:48 am on Nov. 17, 2008 And your basis for this information is...? -- Posted by Fishboner at 3:49 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Congratulations. -- Posted by olbas at 3:49 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from mcodeath at 3:48 am on Nov. 17, 2008 And your basis for this information is...? http://www.golivewire.com/forums/forum-15-s-0.html -- Posted by dramaqueenxoxo at 3:49 am on Nov. 17, 2008 I agree with this. You just get a bunch of idiots telling you that you will die immediately if you so much as try any drug. Or they just relay scare-tactic information that they learnt at school. -- Posted by x FENRIS x at 3:50 am on Nov. 17, 2008 There is very little empirical evidence on drugs anyway. You're right though, it's an issue. -- Posted by Fishboner at 3:51 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Maybe we should have a separate class of members called "Drug Leaders" or "Drug Dealers" that can give advice to drugridden members. Lololol. -- Posted by surfergurl at 3:56 am on Nov. 17, 2008 google never fails... -- Posted by Bacon at 4:08 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from dramaqueenxoxo at 10:49 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 I agree with this. You just get a bunch of idiots telling you that you will die immediately if you so much as try any drug. Or they just relay scare-tactic information that they learnt at school. Generally speaking, it's possible. And (some) schools can be a better source of information than any online forum. -- Posted by Fishboner at 5:27 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from Bacon at 1:08 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from dramaqueenxoxo at 10:49 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 I agree with this. You just get a bunch of idiots telling you that you will die immediately if you so much as try any drug. Or they just relay scare-tactic information that they learnt at school. Generally speaking, it's possible.   And (some) schools can be a better source of information than any online forum. Not when it comes to any kind of drug. It's all retard propaganda. -- Posted by Wilder at 9:13 am on Nov. 17, 2008 If you spend some time on these forums you'll find that there are some users who know what they're talking about and give solid advice. For the most part you're entirely right, though. -- Posted by Skip at 9:24 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from storm at 6:51 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Maybe we should have a separate class of members called "Drug Leaders" or "Drug Dealers" that can give advice to drugridden members. Lololol. good idea -- Posted by palepalepeach at 9:29 am on Nov. 17, 2008 The way I look at it is there's an age range of users here that includes people who are still in middle school, and if they don't use drugs and even if they oppose drugs based on misinformation, I don't care.  I don't think people should be using drugs at that age. -- Posted by Wilder at 9:32 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from storm at 4:51 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Maybe we should have a separate class of members called "Drug Leaders" or "Drug Dealers" that can give advice to drugridden members. Lololol. The only time I applied for SL it was largely on the basis of my capacity to give advice on drugs, lol. -- Posted by Pvt Pyle at 9:41 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from olbas at 3:47 am on Nov. 17, 2008 almost nobody here does drugs.   http://www.erowid.org I do, and I'd like to be online more often to help   but yes erowid is a great place to get real unbiased and non-bullshit information about drugs. Accurate info is hard to find on here because people think there's strictly 2 perspectives to have regarding the subject of drug use; You either do use drugs (or smoke weed) or your 100% against drugs and anyone willing to do them. Theres a fair share of bullshit in both directions - "Smoking marijuana will make you kill your family with an axe because it's the devil's personal creation to ruin the world" or "Drugs are awesome and fun, and abusing them has absolutely no consequences because that kind of stuff won't happen to ME" you know? -- Posted by JennyColada at 10:42 am on Nov. 17, 2008 As far as I'm aware, LiveWire never wanted to set itself up to be the end-all-be-all source of all great drug information. Although it can be a bit frustrating to see people with real questions get crappy answers. Most people here are, however, pretty open and willing to point people in a better direction to where they can get answers. -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 11:17 am on Nov. 17, 2008 If you want someone that knows about drugs, talk to Wilder. There are others around here that can give good, knowledgeable advice about drugs, but you have to know who to listen to. Most that post are complete morons -- Posted by Wilder at 11:22 am on Nov. 17, 2008 We should have a sticky listing all the intelligent regulars on this forum to help people sort through responses/ quickly get a question answered. -- Posted by MushroomSatsujin at 11:38 am on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from Wilder at 11:22 am on Nov. 17, 2008 We should have a sticky listing all the intelligent regulars on this forum to help people sort through responses/ quickly get a question answered. Kinda like a drug support leader list? I like that idea. When people post serious questions all they usually get is 'Dont do drugs' or 'weed is bad' and the like. This way they can actually get real, knowledgeable support. -- Posted by live it up at 12:57 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 it think theres just too many people that say" i dont drugs im not stupid" on more serious threads that need to shut the fuck up... there are people here that no what they are talking about or want to discuss addiction, and the nature of certain drugs -- Posted by Duffasaurus at 1:18 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 I feel like it's a bad idea to have "Drug Support Leaders" simply because drug advice is a hard thing to give, you really can't give it to someone else, they just have to have common sense. If someone is going to be asking "Can I drop 5 blotter squares on my first trip" I'm afriad that a Drug SL might just think that sounds fine, when in reality that would be a very high first time dose, and you don't know the weight of the person, or their age, but they would take your advice because you're a "Support Leader". Obviosly that's an extreme example, but many people will give many different dosage guidelines and advice, that would either confuse someone, or push someone into making a bad decision. I think I would feel better if it was like an "Experienced Drug User" badge, or something, but really I don't think it's a good idea... -- Posted by Event Horizon at 6:14 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 Quote: from Duffasaurus at 4:18 pm on Nov. 17, 2008 I feel like it's a bad idea to have "Drug Support Leaders" simply because drug advice is a hard thing to give, you really can't give it to someone else, they just have to have common sense. If someone is going to be asking "Can I drop 5 blotter squares on my first trip" I'm afriad that a Drug SL might just think that sounds fine, when in reality that would be a very high first time dose, and you don't know the weight of the person, or their age, but they would take your advice because you're a "Support Leader". Obviosly that's an extreme example, but many people will give many different dosage guidelines and advice, that would either confuse someone, or push someone into making a bad decision. I think I would feel better if it was like an "Experienced Drug User" badge, or something, but really I don't think it's a good idea... That is quite incorrect... common sense is not only a subjective ideal, but it is meaningless if a person "thinks" he/she is using it, when in reality they are not. Second, A drug support leader would not tell a first time LSD user to drop 5 hits their first time. Generally, i think, the DSL [in theory] would be delivering the very common sense you are advocating. The badge name doesn't matter, the thing that matters is the fact that there would be a "taskforce" -if you will- of the folks on here that actually know their shit. And likewise, of people who --if they don't know the answer-- are able to set their ego aside and say, "I don't know the answer to that 100%, so check [www.url.com]. I think it would be a great idea for this forum, so that kids on here could actually use some of the advice on here. -- Posted by swedger at 7:05 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 Quote: from olbas at 3:47 am on Nov. 17, 2008 if any of you have a serious question or just a general interest in psychoactive substance i would advise you to join a drug-specific board. so much of the stuff here is unbelievably wrong. Livewire is not the place to go for drug advice, because, surprise, almost nobody here does drugs.   http://www.erowid.org everything you'll ever need to know about drugs. Google can help out with forums. What he said -- Posted by pInKiE at 7:50 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 Sadly, most of the better members stopped coming here years ago, either a) grew too old for this place, b) got sick of all the little children that think they know what they're talking about, or c) grew tired of the constant post deleting (option c got better after many arguments with penguin cube, and him just starting to care less and less, also the fact he's no longer the forums moderator).  The few members from those days are signing on less and less, and mostly think this place is a joke, and tend to lurk around waiting for something half-way interesting and worth their time. Why am I still here? Grr.  *sigh* Seems this place shall never return to what it once was, or perhaps we all just outgrew that as well. -- Posted by pInKiE at 7:54 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 On that note, for anyone who knows what I'm talking about, does the coalition still exist?  Not that it seems this place is having the same battles it used to, but stupidity still runs pretty rampant. -- Posted by JennyColada at 8:24 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 Quote: from pInKiE at 7:54 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 On that note, for anyone who knows what I'm talking about, does the coalition still exist?  Not that it seems this place is having the same battles it used to, but stupidity still runs pretty rampant. It doesn't exist, that I know of, in the same way that it used to. It seems like the "coalition" sort of turned into a "let's break the rules and see how often we can talk about blatent drug use!" than really trying to help. -- Posted by sykexl at 8:52 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 Probably because this isn't a drug forum. It's just a subsection of a teen help forum and as such it makes sense, regardless of how stupid it really is, to prohibit talks of illegal substances. I'll continue to do it because I honestly don't care but this really isn't the place to be discussing drugs and there are indeed far better places to go. Contradictory? Perhaps. -- Posted by obvious child at 8:53 pm on Nov. 18, 2008 Quote: from mcodeath at 1:48 am on Nov. 17, 2008 And your basis for this information is...? This is LW. Intelligence and knowledge come here to die. -- Posted by 4BLOOD5 at 4:14 pm on Dec. 3, 2008 alot of des kids dont know what the fuck they talkin about