-- Posted by 911teen org at 2:31 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 think about this!!!! the BIG 3 auto makers need this big bailout money and shit.... HOW COME TOYOTA, NISSAN, HONDA, MERCEDES, BMW, KIA, AND THE REST OF THE FOREIGN CAR MAKERS DONT NEED IT????? apparently they must be doing something RIGHT to not need bailout $$$$$ -- Posted by Jesus66 at 2:32 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Japanese, they know how to run company's well. -- Posted by libertine at 2:32 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 because american cars are the butt of many jokes outside america -- Posted by 911teen org at 2:33 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from jesus66 at 2:32 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Japanese, they know how to run company's well. apparently they do -- Posted by greatangel at 2:33 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 because the below the Big 3. what you thing.? -- Posted by sykexl at 2:33 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 It has nothing to do with them not needing it. Odds are they do need help in some form or another. Practically every major company/corporation does. Even Harvard has showed it's being a total failure when it comes to investments. You didn't ask but to bail them out would be fucking ridiculous. We are a supposed free market, companies come and go. -- Posted by RIMHfire at 2:34 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Because America failinggggg. -- Posted by TruexZero at 2:34 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Foreign cars are sold globally, and have higher quality than American cars. American cars can't be sold to half of the world because they don't meet the countries' standards. -- Posted by 911teen org at 2:35 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from sykexl at 2:33 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 It has nothing to do with them not needing it. Odds are they do need help in some form or another. Practically every major company/corporation does. Even Harvard has showed it's being a total failure when it comes to investments. You didn't ask but to bail them out would be fucking ridiculous. We are a supposed free market, companies come and go. yes they do come and go..... -- Posted by IMPALA at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from TruexZero at 2:34 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Foreign cars are sold globally, and have higher quality than American cars. American cars can't be sold to half of the world because they don't meet the countries' standards. You're incorrect. -- Posted by studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Mercedes and BMW are not japanese cars. And it's an embarrassment to list them with those car manufacturers. Europe does it best. Alfa Romeo Aston Martin Audi Bentley BMW Citroën Ferrari Lamborghini Lotus Maserati Mercedes-Benz Porsche Renault Rolls Royce Saab Volkswagen -- Posted by 911teen org at 2:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Mercedes and BMW are not japanese cars. And it's an embarrassment to list them with those car manufacturers.   Europe does it best.    Alfa Romeo  Aston Martin  Audi  Bentley  BMW  Citroën  Ferrari  Lamborghini  Lotus  Maserati  Mercedes-Benz  Porsche  Renault  Rolls Royce  Saab  Volkswagen i no who makes bmw and mercedes.... i listed it because they are foreign cars!! not made in america -- Posted by IMPALA at 2:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best. ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches.. For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through. Get out of here with your ignorance. -- Posted by studmuffn at 2:41 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 5:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best. ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches..   For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through.   Get out of here with your ignorance. Try the Porsche GT2 moron. Get out of here with your piece of shit American cars. -- Posted by Tubbz at 2:42 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 10:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best. ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches..   For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through.   Get out of here with your ignorance. gentle corner = US car fucked. -- Posted by Jesus66 at 2:45 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 German's are the best for cars. -- Posted by studmuffn at 2:46 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from jesus66 at 5:45 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 German's are the best for cars. Someone with knowledge. -- Posted by Tubbz at 2:47 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 10:46 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from jesus66 at 5:45 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 German's are the best for cars. Someone with knowledge. I'd agree with that to an extent. I think when it comes to the top performance cars, the italians just have it. -- Posted by studmuffn at 2:48 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from Tubbz at 5:47 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 10:46 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from jesus66 at 5:45 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 German's are the best for cars.    Someone with knowledge. I'd agree with that to an extent. I think when it comes to the top performance cars, the italians just have it. Italians take the cake for Exotic cars. But a good BMW can definitely race a Ferrari. -- Posted by IMPALA at 3:00 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from Tubbz at 2:42 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 10:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best.    ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches..    For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through.    Get out of here with your ignorance. gentle corner = US car fucked. That's why the CTS-V outpaces Audis and BMWs in road courses, right ? -- Posted by IMPALA at 3:00 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:41 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 5:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best.    ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches..    For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through.    Get out of here with your ignorance. Try the Porsche GT2 moron. Get out of here with your piece of shit American cars. Actually, I really only like Chevrolet. Otherwise, Porsche, BMW, and McLaren are top of my list. MORON. Get out of here with your piece of shit mind. -- Posted by studmuffn at 3:03 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 6:00 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:41 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 5:38 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from studmuffn at 2:36 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Europe does it best.   ZR1 > GTR > Most porsches..     For me to say that, it takes quite a bit seeing how I'm a Porsche enthusiast through and through.     Get out of here with your ignorance.    Try the Porsche GT2 moron.    Get out of here with your piece of shit American cars. Actually, I really only like Chevrolet.   Otherwise, Porsche, BMW, and McLaren are top of my list.   MORON.   Get out of here with your piece of shit mind. You're argument makes no sense what so ever. I'm not even going to waste my time with you. Any car enthusiast knows Europe makes the finest cars. Till then, continue driving your piece of shit impala in automatic transmission. -- Posted by IMPALA at 3:06 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-yyieisi-support-a.html Guess you don't hang out in auto forum huh ? http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-yyioaab-support-a.html -- Posted by studmuffn at 3:08 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 Quote: from IMPALA at 6:06 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-yyieisi-support-a.html Guess you don't hang out in auto forum huh ? http://golivewire.com/forums/peer-yyioaab-support-a.html What are you trying to prove idiot? I've posted long ago that Europe is best, why would you even ATTEMPT to argue that? -- Posted by shadowpool at 3:33 pm on Nov. 19, 2008 GM, in particular, has way too many employees that are paid too highly with benefits/retirement packages that are too expensive, they have too many dealerships, and they make too many different cars/trucks that no one is buying.  Demand in the US has been shifting towards smaller more fuel efficient cars made by other companies, and right now no one has the money or credit to buy cars (or just about anything else). Out of GM, Ford, and Chrysler, I'll bet that at least two of them go bankrupt.  These companies are burning through too much cash for a bailout to save them.  They really need to restructure, regroup, get rid of their unions, and get back to the drawing board--bankruptcy.  They might have better luck selling fast food. -- Posted by RRS360 at 3:32 pm on Feb. 18, 2009 First of all it isn't a "Big 3" bailout because only GM and Chrysler actually took out a loan. Ford saw the light three years ago and slowed production of their suvs and cancelled the Excusion to have some cash reserve left over. But as far as Gm and Chrysler, that mismanagement all of the way. Putting too much money into suv production when they should have focused on making high quality, fuel efficent cars. The new Ford cars are getting high reviews and the 2010 Taurus looks awesome and nothing like its rental elder version. The new Fusion hybrid will get an average of 41 mpg, and that is better than the Camry hybrid. Hopefully they can turn it all around, because I'd hate to see all of those jobs lost.