Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by The Good Guy at 10:19 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 what about non-whites? -- Posted by blufindr at 10:20 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 No. Originally, the swastika was a symbol of power in Hindu. Hitler corrupted it -- Posted by rockerprincess at 10:21 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 NOOO...the swastika is a holy sign for the hindus. Or so i thought...:S isnt it?? -- Posted by Jokerboy719 at 10:21 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Stop the racism -- Posted by Joep0113 at 10:21 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Technically speaking the Swastika is a symbol of good luck. Its not even a German symbol. It appears in Nordic, North American, and some kind of Northern Indian tribal symbols. -- Posted by zombieman5 at 10:21 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 no the swastika was once a symbol used for good things, but once the nazis started using it, it turned to a bad symbol. -- Posted by Im the Dude at 10:22 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 the swastika became a symbol for that because of the nazis... -- Posted by Malachite Morning at 10:23 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 1:20 am on Nov. 23, 2008 No. Originally, the swastika was a symbol of power in Hindu. Hitler corrupted it Indeed. -- Posted by Malachite Morning at 10:24 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Quote: from Joep0113 at 1:21 am on Nov. 23, 2008 Technically speaking the Swastika is a symbol of good luck. Its not even a German symbol. It appears in Nordic, North American, and some kind of Northern Indian tribal symbols. Indo-Aryan, isn't it? -- Posted by Joep0113 at 10:24 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Quote: from Malachite Morning at 10:24 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Quote: from Joep0113 at 1:21 am on Nov. 23, 2008 Technically speaking the Swastika is a symbol of good luck. Its not even a German symbol. It appears in Nordic, North American, and some kind of Northern Indian tribal symbols. Indo-Aryan, isn't it? thats it -- Posted by MixedDelight at 10:24 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 Quote: from blufindr at 1:20 am on Nov. 23, 2008 No. Originally, the swastika was a symbol of power in Hindu. Hitler corrupted it This is true^ -- Posted by Randomaster at 10:27 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 The swastika became a symbol of hate, towards a number of groups Hitler deemed impure. Including: Jews Blacks Gypsys Cripples Homosexuals -- Posted by xBeautifulTragedyx at 10:30 pm on Nov. 22, 2008 It is NOW. -- Posted by kidd rune at 8:19 am on Nov. 23, 2008 The Swastika was never used as a symbol of "Hate" by the Nazis. The Swastika is an anceint Germanic symbol of good luck and well being. If you knew much about Hitler, he was into old Germanic mythology, history, etc. It was never used by the NSDAP as a symbol to "Hate Jews" with. The National Socialist German Workers Party wasn't necessarily anti-Jewish. But, instead, they were pro-Aryan. The swastika became a symbol of hate, towards a number of groups Hitler deemed impure. Including: Jews Blacks Gypsys Cripples Homosexuals 1. Jews were ordered to leave (unless only 1/4 Jews) due to NS ideology. It was not hate towards them, just Ethnocentrism towards Whites. 2. There were Blacks in the Waffen SS (only a few though). They were also somewhat friendly to the Blacks in the Olympics. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4404/dieudonnebu0.jpg" target="_top">http://http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4404/dieudonnebu0.jpg 3. Gypsies were much the same as Jews - just not a part of the nation. 4 and 5. Cripples and Homosexuals were sterilized due to the Eugenics program. They wanted to kill out all of the "Bad" genetics to have a stronger, healthier, smarter people. You may call that "Evil," but many countries did that: USA, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Austrailia, Japan, etc - to one extent or another. I think the USA did it by state though. -- Posted by jakelong at 2:13 am on Nov. 26, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 8:19 am on Nov. 23, 2008 The Swastika was never used as a symbol of "Hate" by the Nazis. True but they sure hated Jews. Now though its used by all the neo-nazi scum and hitler asskissers in the country,   -- Posted by kidd rune at 10:48 am on Nov. 26, 2008 True but they sure hated Jews. You can't single them out for being the only Jew haters. Using that logic - the cross could be a Jew hating symbol. Plenty of countries slaughtered or pushed out Jews. Now though its used by all the neo-nazi scum and hitler asskissers in the country, Doesn't change the original meaning. -- Posted by sweetjane at 3:47 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 anything can be made a symbol of hate, look at what zionists did with the star of david. in alot of countries the swastica means nothing, genocide happens all the time and its happening right now in africa. this pisses me off, i dont give a shit about people whining about swasticas being a symbol of hate. worry about the people who are being killed or oppressed bcos of race right now. -- Posted by jakelong at 4:03 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 10:48 am on Nov. 26, 2008 You can't single them out for being the only Jew haters. Never said they the only ones. But they sure killed the most. Using that logic I did not use that logic you did. => fail Plenty of countries slaughtered or pushed out Jews. Sure but Nazis made it into a science. Doesn't change the original meaning. Not the original meaning but you wonder why the NEW scum like it so much... -- Posted by kidd rune at 5:38 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 Never said they the only ones. But they sure killed the most. Remember Jakey - this is where we differ. Christianity has killed more Jews than I believe Germany could have - does that make the cross a hate symbol? I did not use that logic you did. => fail No I didn't! I don't consider the cross a hate symbol at all - or the Swastika for that matter. Sure but Nazis made it into a science. They wanted the Jews OUT of their country. They didn't want to get their hands dirty - they just wanted the Jews out and didn't care how it happened. They tried to force them to leave by their own standards. They tried to give them money to do it. Not the original meaning but you wonder why the NEW scum like it so much... Maybe they are pro National Socialism? Just because someone you don't approve of likes something - that doesn't mean you can't like it either. -- Posted by jakelong at 2:37 am on Nov. 27, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 5:38 pm on Nov. 26, 2008 Christianity has killed more Jews Christianity itself has not killed Jews. But Christians who forgot about the real teaching of Jesus and used quotes out of context to kill Jews did their share sure. No I didn't! You sure did. I did not bring that logic up you did. They wanted the Jews OUT of their country. And it justified genocide? They didn't want to get their hands dirty Well ithey sure got dirty and bloody. Maybe they are pro National Socialism? Why do they have to use the same symbol and the same ideas? That's another thing I always wonder why all that White  supremacist WN scum always have to be ALSO fixated on jews. If all they care is the "survival of whites" why they always have to add something about the Holocaust, the Jewish media, the inferiority of blacks, etc...? You'd think they would just be busy coming up with somethig new and orignal instead of repeating the same shit as the old nazis, like worshipping Hitler saying sieg heil and bashing Jews. -- Posted by kidd rune at 9:46 am on Nov. 27, 2008 Christianity itself has not killed Jews. But Christians who forgot about the real teaching of Jesus and used quotes out of context to kill Jews did their share sure. National Socialism didn't kill Jews either. You sure did. I did not bring that logic up you did. I said it but didn't mean it - I said "Using that logic" as in I wouldn't normally use that logic but to prove that that the logic is fail I would use it to make a retarded statement. K? And it justified genocide? We're just going to debate the Holocaust again Jakey... There is nothing written in the points of the NSDAP to kill or commit Genocide - nor do I, as a National Socialist, want to commit Genocide. Why do they have to use the same symbol and the same ideas? They have the same symbol the the ideas aren't the same - but they are somewhat similar. That's another thing I always wonder why all that White  supremacist WN scum always have to be ALSO fixated on jews. If all they care is the "survival of whites" why they always have to add something about the Holocaust, the Jewish media, the inferiority of blacks, etc...? You'd think they would just be busy coming up with somethig new and orignal instead of repeating the same shit as the old nazis, like worshipping Hitler saying sieg heil and bashing Jews. I don't know. They tend to want Jews out of the media but I'm not into all that Jewish media stuff. -- Posted by jakelong at 1:05 pm on Nov. 27, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:46 am on Nov. 27, 2008 National Socialism didn't kill Jews either. Sure Nazism didn't kill Jews. Nazis did. I said it but didn't mean it - I said "Using that logic" Excpet that no one here used it but you. nor do I, as a National Socialist, want to commit Genocide. Wait wait wait So... you ARE a NAZI? Ok now that's pretty clear. You kept snowing us with saying you were just WN not WS but I guess now we KNOW what you REALLY are. Now it all makes sense yeah... -- Posted by kidd rune at 4:54 pm on Nov. 27, 2008 Sure Nazism didn't kill Jews. Nazis did. And Christianity didn't kill Jews - Christians did. Excpet that no one here used it but you. I was using the SAME logic as others just in a different context. Wait wait wait So... you ARE a NAZI? Ok now that's pretty clear. You kept snowing us with saying you were just WN not WS but I guess now we KNOW what you REALLY are. Now it all makes sense yeah... Do you KNOW what a National Socialist is? What's wrong with National Socialism - and what does it make sense of? And a "Nazi" is A LOT different than a National Socialist. -- Posted by jakelong at 10:27 pm on Nov. 27, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 4:54 pm on Nov. 27, 2008 And Christianity didn't kill Jews - Christians did. No denying that. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. And yes Christians have apologized for the wrong things did to Jews and acknowledged it. Have Nazis done the same? I was using the SAME logic as others just in a different context. No one used it really but you here. Do you KNOW what a National Socialist is? What's wrong with National Socialism - and what does it make sense of?   And a "Nazi" is A LOT different than a National Socialist. Oh sure. Just tell me how. But yeah thinks realy make ssense now. -- Posted by kidd rune at 9:24 am on Nov. 28, 2008 No denying that. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. And yes Christians have apologized for the wrong things did to Jews and acknowledged it. Have Nazis done the same? Well - the "Nazis" you're speaking of are almost all dead at the moment - but the ones at Nuremberg and other trials either outright denied it, committed suicide (Instead of being tortured by Soviets), or claimed they killed 5 million Jews and gassed them for days straight (We call them stooges). Or they blamed it on a bunch of dead guys. No one used it really but you here. Actually, plenty of people used it just not in the exact same method. Oh sure. Just tell me how. But yeah thinks realy make ssense now. Nazi = someone of NSDAP Germany. National Socialism has many forms. -- Posted by jakelong at 3:44 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:24 am on Nov. 28, 2008 Well - the "Nazis" you're speaking of are almost all dead at the moment There are still plenty who are alive. I don't hear them admitting they did crimes and asking for forgiveness http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3305440,00.html A Nazi physician known as "Dr. Death" for murdering hundreds of inmates of Mauthausen Concentration camp by lethal injection is the most wanted Nazi war criminal still at large, according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Aribert Heim has replaced Alois Brunner at the head of the list of most wanted Nazi war criminals, which the centre released Wednesday, April 30. Brunner, an aide to Adolf Eichmann and responsible for deporting over 100,000 Jews to Nazi death camps from Austria, Greece, France and Slovakia, is defined by the center as "the most important Nazi war criminal who may still be alive." However the center said the chances that Brunner, who was born in 1912, and found refuge in Syria, is still alive, "are relatively slim." Number five on the list is Soren Kam, who stole the population registry of Danish Jews to facilitate a roundup, and whose role in the deportation of Danish Jews is currently being investigated by Danish judicial authorities. Heinrich Boere, who as a member of a Waffen-SS squad murdered three Dutch civilians, is sixth; in April 2008 he was indicted in Germany for his crimes. Karoly Zentai, who participated in manhunts, persecution and murder of Jews in Budapest in 1944, is seventh. He is currently appealing the extradition from Austria which Hungary has asked for. Bildunterschrift:  Adolf Eichmann was one of those who did not get away Mikhail Gorshkow, who participated in the murder of Jews in Belarus, and is under investigation in Estonia is eighth on the list. Algimantas Dailide, who arrested Jews later murdered by Nazis and Lithuanian collaborators, is ninth. He was convicted in Lithuania, which has so far refused to implement his sentence of imprisonment. The list is rounded off with Harry Mannil, who arrested Jews and communists executed by the Nazis and their Estonian collaborators. He was cleared by investigation in Estonia. -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:09 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 There are still plenty who are alive. I don't hear them admitting they did crimes and asking for forgiveness http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3305440,00.html Maybe those guys didn't do anything? There's a man - don't know his name - that was in the Hitler Youth and is still alive today. He speaks about how Hitler was so kind to his older brother and how he came home all the time bragging to people how he spoke to Hitler. The man still looks up to Hitler today and denies all of these "Atrocities" that are put up. He's a child so he kind of got away without much legal crap on him - but he still remembers the day his mom was taken by the Soviets and she never came back along with thousands of others. -- Posted by jakelong at 9:46 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:09 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Maybe those guys didn't do anything? . Maybe you don't know how to read? Former SS doctor Aribert Heim tops a list released Wednesday of most-wanted suspected Nazi war criminals. He is a man so brutal that witnesses remember him as the worst they saw, though he was only at Mauthausen concentration camp for two months. It was 1941, and an 18-year-old Jew had been sent to the clinic with a foot inflammation. Heim asked him about himself and why he was so fit. The young man said he had been a soccer player and swimmer. Then, instead of treating the prisoner's foot, Heim anesthetized him, cut him open, castrated him, took apart one kidney and removed the second, Lotter said. The victim's head was removed and the flesh boiled off so that Heim could keep it on display. "He needed the head because of its perfect teeth," Lotter, a non-Jewish political prisoner, recalled in testimony eight years later that was included in a 1950 Austrian warrant for Heim's arrest uncovered by The Associated Press. "Of all the camp doctors in Mauthausen, Dr. Heim was the most horrible." This 1950 file photo released by the State Office of Criminal Investigation, LKA, in Stuttgart, southern Germany, shows suspect Dr. Aribert Heim."Heim is the person we feel is the most important Nazi war criminal who can still be caught," said Efraim Zuroff, the Simon Wiesenthal Center's top Nazi hunter in a telephone interview from Jerusalem, ahead of its plans this week to release a list of the most-sought fugitives. "We have good reason to believe he is still alive." (AP Photo/LKA Baden-Wuerttemberg) (AP)But Heim managed to avoid prosecution, his American-held file in Germany mysteriously omitting his time at Mauthausen. The hunt for Heim has taken investigators from the German state of Baden-Wuerttemberg all around the world. Besides his home country of Austria and neighboring Germany where he settled after the war, tips have come from Uruguay in 1998, Spain, Switzerland and Chile in 2005, and Brazil in 2006, said Heinz Heister, presiding judge of the Baden-Baden state court, where Heim was indicted in absentia on hundreds of counts of murder in 1979. Austrian authorities sent the 1950 arrest warrant to American authorities in Germany who initially agreed to turn him over, then told the Austrians, in a Dec. 21, 1950, letter obtained by the AP, that they couldn't trace him. What happened next is unclear, but in 1958 Heim apparently felt comfortable enough to buy a 42-unit apartment block in Berlin, listing it in his own name with a home address in Mannheim, according to purchase documents obtained by the AP. He then moved to the nearby resort town of Baden-Baden and opened a gynecological clinic — also under his own name, Heister said. In 1961, German authorities were alerted and began an investigation, but when they finally went to arrest him in September 1962, they just missed him — he apparently had been tipped off. Heim continued to live off the rents collected from the Berlin apartments until 1979 when the building was confiscated by German authorities. Proof that he is alive may lie in the fact that no one has claimed his estate. Heim has two sons in Germany and a daughter who lived in Chile but whose current whereabouts are unknown. http://abcnews.go.com/International/WireStory?id=4753399&page=1 -- Posted by jakelong at 9:47 pm on Nov. 28, 2008 Oh and here is more info on what was done to non-jewish victims of the Holocaust Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp - History It was established on August 8, 1938, and was under the command of Franz Ziereis at the time it was liberated on May 5, 1945 by 41st Recon Squad, 11th Armoured Division, 3rd US Army. S/SGT Albert J. Kosiek was the leader of the squad. S/SGT Kosiek had to pretend to be an officer before the camp the camp was surrendered. Aribert Heim, aka Doctor Death, was there seven weeks, which was enough to practice his experiments. He is now living in Spain [1]. Unlike many other concentration camp systems, Mauthausen was used mostly for extermination through labour of the intelligentsia, educated people and members of the higher classes in countries subjugated by Germany during World War II. Until early 1940, the largest group of inmates consisted of German socialists, homosexuals, and Roma. In early 1940 a large number of Poles were transferred to the Mauthausen-Gusen complex, composed mostly of artists, scientists, Boy Scouts, teachers and university professors. In late 1941 a large number of Soviet POWs arrived. This was the first group to be gassed in the gas chambers, early in 1942.Previously, exhausted prisoners were transferred to Schloss Hartheim, where gas chambers had operated since 1940. Also, many Austrian Jehovah's Witnesses were put into concentration camps during this period. The book Die Geschichte des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen (The History of Mauthausen Concentration Camp, documented by Hans Maršálek, Vienna, Austria, 1974), which has a preamble by Franz Jonas, former president of the Austrian Federal Republic, says: "There existed a group of people in Mauthausen Concentration Camp who were persecuted on religious grounds only: members of the sect 'Earnest Bible Students,' or 'Witnesses of Jehovah' . . . Their rejection of the loyalty oath to Hitler and their refusal to render any kind of military service—a political consequence of their belief—were the reason for their persecution". In 1944 a large group of Hungarian and Dutch Jews was also transferred. Most of them either died as a result of the hard labour and poor conditions, or were thrown down the sides of the Mauthausen quarry (nick-named the Parachute Wall by the SS guards). During the final months of the war, some 20,000 prisoners from other concentration camps were marched to the complex. Before and during World War II large groups of Spanish Republicans were also transferred to the camp and its sub-camps. The estimated number of prisoners that passed through all of the sub-camps is 335,000; most of them were forced to do hard labour in a rock quarry. The rock quarry was at the base of the infamous "stairs of death". Prisoners were forced to carry blocks — often weighing as much as 50 kilograms — up the 186 stairs, one behind the other. As a result, many times exhausted prisoners would collapse in front of the other prisoners in the line, and fall on top of those prisoners, creating a horrific domino effect — that is, the first prisoner falling into the next, and so on all the way down the stairs. Such brutality was not uncommon. In fact, often times, the SS guards would force prisoners — exhausted from hours of hard labour and insufficient food and water — to race up the stairs with the blocks. Those who survived the ordeal would often be placed in a line-up at the edge of a cliff known as "The Parachute Jump". At gunpoint, each prisoner would have the option of being shot, or pushing the prisoner in front of them off of the cliff. In all, some 122,000 were murdered, although the surviving German camp files noted only 71,000 victims. http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Mauthausen-Gusen_concentration_camp_-_History/id/5283091 But yeah its all a jewish lie... -- Posted by kidd rune at 10:07 am on Nov. 29, 2008 Maybe you don't know how to read? http://abcnews.go.com/International/WireStory?id=4753399&page=1 That automatically makes it true? Because they said it? And he's probably dead by now - rumors say he was killed in 1983 in California or something but he'd be pretty old by now if he was living anyway. Oh and here is more info on what was done to non-jewish victims of the Holocaust     Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp - History    It was established on August 8, 1938, and was under the command of Franz Ziereis at the time it was liberated on May 5, 1945 by 41st Recon Squad, 11th Armoured Division, 3rd US Army. S/SGT Albert J. Kosiek was the leader of the squad. S/SGT Kosiek had to pretend to be an officer before the camp the camp was surrendered. Aribert Heim, aka Doctor Death, was there seven weeks, which was enough to practice his experiments. He is now living in Spain [1].    Unlike many other concentration camp systems, Mauthausen was used mostly for extermination through labour of the intelligentsia, educated people and members of the higher classes in countries subjugated by Germany during World War II. Until early 1940, the largest group of inmates consisted of German socialists, homosexuals, and Roma. In early 1940 a large number of Poles were transferred to the Mauthausen-Gusen complex, composed mostly of artists, scientists, Boy Scouts, teachers and university professors.    In late 1941 a large number of Soviet POWs arrived. This was the first group to be gassed in the gas chambers, early in 1942.Previously, exhausted prisoners were transferred to Schloss Hartheim, where gas chambers had operated since 1940.    Also, many Austrian Jehovah's Witnesses were put into concentration camps during this period. The book Die Geschichte des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen (The History of Mauthausen Concentration Camp, documented by Hans Maršálek, Vienna, Austria, 1974), which has a preamble by Franz Jonas, former president of the Austrian Federal Republic, says: "There existed a group of people in Mauthausen Concentration Camp who were persecuted on religious grounds only: members of the sect 'Earnest Bible Students,' or 'Witnesses of Jehovah' . . . Their rejection of the loyalty oath to Hitler and their refusal to render any kind of military service—a political consequence of their belief—were the reason for their persecution".    In 1944 a large group of Hungarian and Dutch Jews was also transferred. Most of them either died as a result of the hard labour and poor conditions, or were thrown down the sides of the Mauthausen quarry (nick-named the Parachute Wall by the SS guards). During the final months of the war, some 20,000 prisoners from other concentration camps were marched to the complex. Before and during World War II large groups of Spanish Republicans were also transferred to the camp and its sub-camps.    The estimated number of prisoners that passed through all of the sub-camps is 335,000; most of them were forced to do hard labour in a rock quarry. The rock quarry was at the base of the infamous "stairs of death". Prisoners were forced to carry blocks — often weighing as much as 50 kilograms — up the 186 stairs, one behind the other. As a result, many times exhausted prisoners would collapse in front of the other prisoners in the line, and fall on top of those prisoners, creating a horrific domino effect — that is, the first prisoner falling into the next, and so on all the way down the stairs.    Such brutality was not uncommon. In fact, often times, the SS guards would force prisoners — exhausted from hours of hard labour and insufficient food and water — to race up the stairs with the blocks. Those who survived the ordeal would often be placed in a line-up at the edge of a cliff known as "The Parachute Jump". At gunpoint, each prisoner would have the option of being shot, or pushing the prisoner in front of them off of the cliff. In all, some 122,000 were murdered, although the surviving German camp files noted only 71,000 victims. http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Mauthausen-Gusen_concentration_camp_-_History/id/5283091 But yeah its all a jewish lie... What about the 10 million Germans that dropped everything they had and trekked away from the incoming Soviet armies because they KNEW what they would do. At Dachau in the American zone of Germany, a shock force of American and Polish guards attempted to entrain a group of pro-German Russian POW's who did not wish to go back to Soviet Russia and certain death. "All the men refused to entrain", Robert Murphy writes in his report on the incident. "They begged to be shot. They resisted entrainment by taking off their clothes and refusing to leave the building..Tear gas forced them out into the snow where those who had cut themselves and one who had stabbed himself to death fell exhausted and bleeding in the snow. Nine men hanged themselves and one had stabbed himself to death. The remaining 368 men were handed over the to the Soviet Security killers." How about this: "Thousand of bodies are hanging in the trees around Berlin and nobody bothers to cut them down. Thousands of corpses are carried out to sea by the Oder and Elbe rivers - one doesn't even notice them any longer. Thousands and thousands are starving on the highways..children roam the highways alone: their parents shot, dead, lost" (Congressional Records, December 20th, 1945. p A-6130) Pages: 1 2  Next