-- Posted by medjai at 5:01 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 of his most famous lines. Thoughts?                                             -- Posted by perfume cowboy at 5:08 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 well this is pretty much an argument in semantics, but he does think about what were to happen after death, which can be caused BY suicide -- Posted by BleedingSteelWings at 5:08 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 True, all he does is wonder whether or not there is something beyond death. Look at the "Alas poor Yorick" line for example and the famous "to be or not to be" soliloquy. if you pay attentino you'll notice he's not 'singing "Crawling"' or asking the audience for a razor. figuratively of course. -- Posted by medjai at 5:17 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 He already knows there is something beyond death because of the ghost however. Yoric was Hamlet's mother and father figure in childhood, he rode on his back, Yoric was the only person to match our hero's wit and guile, and there he is bones dug up like fecal matter. He nearly pukes. Yoric was so very important to hamlet. But this soliloquoy goes deeper still. -- Posted by medjai at 5:18 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 Also it is not an argument in semantics, it is pointing out bad interpretation. -- Posted by Fauna at 7:25 pm on Dec. 9, 2008 I don't think you can call it a 'bad' interpretation, since it can be textually justified. -- Posted by omnifariam at 11:58 pm on Dec. 9, 2008 "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all" It sounds like he wanted to die, but was afraid of retribution. -- Posted by ElephantStone at 8:40 am on Dec. 23, 2008 Quote: from medjai at 1:18 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Also it is not an argument in semantics, it is pointing out bad interpretation. I think its rather unfair to call an interpretation 'retarded' and completely disregard other people's views of the lines when it is an interpretation, which isn't very intellectual of you and if anything depletes the value of your own argument. -- Posted by fenrir at 9:51 am on Dec. 23, 2008 Even if you're referencing how characters choose to take their own lives, then you're merely choosing the fate of your characters.. not advocating your personal conviction or choice.  I enjoy writing short stories of a Changling Warlock named Aniras Theologia, but I cannot say that I personally cannot see myself being a proponent both of an unlimited mana pool for evocation spells and the ability to morph my appearance to anyone within reason.. Literary fantasy or nonfiction is as much a part of our imagination as our ability to reason afterward within life.. -- Posted by major at 10:54 am on Dec. 23, 2008 you are an idiot, jared, yoric was not hamlet's mother or father figure. he was a court jester that he found somewhat amusing. He was someone he knew in his childhood, and whose skull he held, but he died when Hamlet was around seven, I'm pretty sure, and a court jester would not be allowed to be a "mother" and "father" to the prince of denmark. he in no way was on the same intellectual plane as hamlet, he was merely an entertainment tool. The significance of Yoric is not that he was such an incredible person, now reduced to bones, but in fact that he was such a menial person, who was now indistinguishable from the greats such as Napoleon or Cesar.  Everyone is equalized in death, and Yoric's skull was a symbol for that anonymity. Yoric, the court jester, died, just as Hamlet's father died, and the two are not nearly the same in his mind, except for the fact that they are both in the category of "dead". maybe you should read the fucking play instead of telling everyone that they don't know what they're talking about. Hamlet never verbalizes a thought process to carry out his suicide, no. But he was thinking about death, and thinking of himself in the context of "death", and if he were a person then the jump could quite confidently be made that he thought about suicide as well. -- Posted by fenrir at 10:56 am on Dec. 23, 2008 Quote: from Major at 12:54 pm on Dec. 23, 2008 you are an idiot, jared, yoric was not hamlet's mother or father figure. he was a court jester that he found somewhat amusing. He was someone he knew in his childhood, and whose skull he held, but he died when Hamlet was around seven, I'm pretty sure, and a court jester would not be allowed to be a "mother" and "father" to the prince of denmark. he in no way was on the same intellectual plane as hamlet, he was merely an entertainment tool. The significance of Yoric is not that he was such an incredible person, now reduced to bones, but in fact that he was such a menial person, who was now indistinguishable from the greats such as Napoleon or Cesar. Everyone is equalized in death, and Yoric's skull was a symbol for that anonymity. Yoric, the court jester, died, just as Hamlet's father died, and the two are not nearly the same in his mind, except for the fact that they are both in the category of "dead". maybe you should read the fucking play instead of telling everyone that they don't know what they're talking about. Hamlet never verbalizes a thought process to carry out his suicide, no. But he was thinking about death, and thinking of himself in the context of "death", and if he were a person then the jump could quite confidently be made that he thought about suicide as well. Unfortunately, the manner of one's death expressed within fictional or imaginative accounts isn't necessarily advocating one's condoning of suicide..  You're merely citing examples of death within his writings without providing any information for how and why Shakespeare chose for him to do so. -- Posted by major at 11:00 am on Dec. 23, 2008 what he needs to address is his obvious lack of knowledge about the play, to say that Yoric was such an incremental figure in Hamlet's life. -- Posted by fenrir at 11:07 am on Dec. 23, 2008 Quote: from Major at 1:00 pm on Dec. 23, 2008 what he needs to address is his obvious lack of knowledge about the play, to say that Yoric was such an incremental figure in Hamlet's life. Again, Hamlet was quite capable of taking his own life right from when he heard his father's disclosing his killer was Hamlet's mother's new lover.. And your example of him expounding his friend's death could be acknowledging the frailty of life, not one's choice to take their own.. -- Posted by major at 11:18 am on Dec. 23, 2008 that's what i said dumbass read the big wall of text i put i'm addressing Quote: from medjai at 5:17 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 He already knows there is something beyond death because of the ghost however. Yoric was Hamlet's mother and father figure in childhood, he rode on his back, Yoric was the only person to match our hero's wit and guile, and there he is bones dug up like fecal matter. He nearly pukes. Yoric was so very important to hamlet. But this soliloquoy goes deeper still. which is a huge amount of shit -- Posted by fenrir at 11:28 am on Dec. 23, 2008 Quote: from Major at 1:18 pm on Dec. 23, 2008 that's what i said dumbass read the big wall of text i put   i'm addressing Quote: from medjai at 5:17 pm on Dec. 1, 2008 He already knows there is something beyond death because of the ghost however. Yoric was Hamlet's mother and father figure in childhood, he rode on his back, Yoric was the only person to match our hero's wit and guile, and there he is bones dug up like fecal matter. He nearly pukes. Yoric was so very important to hamlet.    But this soliloquoy goes deeper still. which is a huge amount of shit Amazing how your humility and ability not to portray yourself as a condescending, immature, ignorant.. hmmm, I take that back.  You aren't humble and you do all of those.  However, you drew Ad Hominem first.