Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:13 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Partial-Birth Abortion is possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of, and does count as murder and child abuse in my opinion. The fetus, at 24 weeks can feel pain but would have had to feel itself being killed if it was aborted in this way. I am pro-choice but I wonder why anyone would choose to subject another lifeform to this treatment. I realise that this is old news, but I'd like to have my say in the matter -- Posted by Sins and Demons at 8:15 am on Dec. 2, 2008 In the human mind anything can be killed if oneself can rationalize it -- Posted by Bearsy at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Pigs can feel pain when you kill them, and are of higher intelligence than a 24-week fetus, but you keep eatin' you bacon. -- Posted by Vicodin at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 I'm perfectly fine with all abortion. -- Posted by IceTeaEdwin at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Sins and Demons at 10:15 am on Dec. 2, 2008 In the human mind anything can be killed if oneself can rationalize it Lulz, with that name...it figures. -- Posted by IceTeaEdwin at 8:18 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 10:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Pigs can feel pain when you kill them, and are of higher intelligence than a 24-week fetus, but you keep eatin' you bacon. But bacon be tasty D: -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:19 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Pigs can feel pain when you kill them, and are of higher intelligence than a 24-week fetus, but you keep eatin' you bacon. I'm a vegetarian, I don't like the texture of meat -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:21 am on Dec. 2, 2008 It's not that I disagree with abortion, I just think that there are more humane ways of doing it. The baby, at an age where it can be born and survive is basically stabbed in the back of its head and killed. It sounds like murder to me. The only way people get away with it is because the baby is not properly born when it's killed -- Posted by Bearsy at 8:22 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 8:19 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Pigs can feel pain when you kill them, and are of higher intelligence than a 24-week fetus, but you keep eatin' you bacon.   I'm a vegetarian, I don't like the texture of meat But you have no problem with the cruelty to animals. This counters my argument how? -- Posted by The Stranger at 8:26 am on Dec. 2, 2008  I hate abortions -- Posted by BikerTeen at 8:30 am on Dec. 2, 2008 i don't approve of any Abortion but can't stand Partial-Birth Abortion -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:30 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:22 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 8:19 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:17 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Pigs can feel pain when you kill them, and are of higher intelligence than a 24-week fetus, but you keep eatin' you bacon.      I'm a vegetarian, I don't like the texture of meat But you have no problem with the cruelty to animals. This counters my argument how? I'm not too keen on the treatment animals have to suffer, however, a lot of the time when animals are killed they don't have their heads stabbed and their brains sucked out which is what partial birth abortion is. -- Posted by marshmellowman at 8:32 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:13 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 The fetus, at 24 weeks can feel pain but would have had to feel itself being killed if it was aborted in this way. Medical boards have ruled otherwise. Care to cite your information? -- Posted by Discordany at 8:33 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Agreed. Its not that I dont think abortions should be legal (would I have one? No. But women should be able to), but if they can't make up their mind before 6 months into the pregnancy, then they shouldnt be getting the abortion; by that point, its a child, imo. However, if they have the abortion before that, much as I may disagree with them, go right ahead. Your choice, your body. -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:37 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:32 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:13 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 The fetus, at 24 weeks can feel pain but would have had to feel itself being killed if it was aborted in this way. Medical boards have ruled otherwise. Care to cite your information? By eight weeks a baby can feel pain, the thalamus has started to function. As no pain relief is given to the baby and it can feel pain by that point, how is it right to assume that a partially born baby can't feel pain during the abortion? -- Posted by marshmellowman at 8:42 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:37 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 By eight weeks a baby can feel pain, the thalamus has started to function.   As no pain relief is given to the baby and it can feel pain by that point, how is it right to assume that a partially born baby can't feel pain during the abortion? False, and you still haven't cited your sources. Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, question the view that a foetus feels pain at 22 weeks, as proposed by some people. They say that signs of a withdrawal reflex or hormonal stress response at that time are automatic reactions, not signs of discomfort. Drawing on findings from thousands of articles in medical journals on the subject of foetal pain and related topics, Dr Mark Rosen and team write that "pain is a subjective sensory and emotional experience that requires the presence of consciousness". Consciousness is created by brain connections between the thalamus and the cerebral cortex, and those do not begin to develop before the 23rd week and possibly not before the 30th week of gestation. The human gestation period is 38 weeks from conception. link -- Posted by Aliboo at 8:43 am on Dec. 2, 2008 yes. and babies can survive a few weeks after, i should know i was born at 26 weeks! -- Posted by marshmellowman at 8:44 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Aliboo at 4:43 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 yes. and babies can survive a few weeks after, i should know i was born at 26 weeks! You were really born 3 months premature? -- Posted by NikkiInkz at 8:47 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:44 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from Aliboo at 4:43 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 yes. and babies can survive a few weeks after, i should know i was born at 26 weeks! You were really born 3 months premature? My cousin was born 24 weeks and he could certainly feel pain -- Posted by marshmellowman at 8:49 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:47 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 My cousin was born 24 weeks and he could certainly feel pain Very, very few babies are born that early, and besides ignoring the rest of my posts, I'd like more concrete information than something as dubious as you're claiming now. -- Posted by The Samsoniteman at 9:22 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:37 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 By eight weeks a baby can feel pain, the thalamus has started to function. My medical textbook (Langman's Medical Embryology 10th Ed.) says otherwise. They can't feel shit before ~30 weeks. The US Partial-Birth Abortion Ban is ridiculous and illogical. If abortions are going to happen who cares whether it occurs in vitro or during birth? It is legislation designed to play on emotion rather than science, something that anti-abortionists across the world are so effective at. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 9:58 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Personally, I don't see the point of partial-birth abortions. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of any reasons why someone would choose to have a partial-birth abortion? -- Posted by Bearsy at 10:13 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:58 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Personally, I don't see the point of partial-birth abortions. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of any reasons why someone would choose to have a partial-birth abortion? maybe they find out it'll be extremely retarded and die of a horrible painful illness when it's five to ten years old IDK, who knows. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 11:25 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 8:13 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Partial-Birth Abortion is possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of, and does count as murder and child abuse in my opinion.   The fetus, at 24 weeks can feel pain but would have had to feel itself being killed if it was aborted in this way.   I am pro-choice but I wonder why anyone would choose to subject another lifeform to this treatment.   I realise that this is old news, but I'd like to have my say in the matter There is no concrete evidence that a fetus can feel pain at 24 weeks. Researchers believe it's anywhere from 24-30 weeks, with some heterodox theorists saying a fetus can never feel pain - only a baby upon taking his first breath.   Partial-birth abortion is necessary for surgeries where the mother's life is in danger. It should not be banned. No woman, during any point in her pregnancy, should have to do put her state into the hands of others. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 11:26 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from exceedinglyrare at 9:58 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Personally, I don't see the point of partial-birth abortions. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of any reasons why someone would choose to have a partial-birth abortion? Most women who get it are advised by their doctors that either they will have medical complications later on. Partial birth abortion contributes to a higher survival rate. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 11:27 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from marshmellowman at 8:49 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from NikkiInkz at 4:47 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 My cousin was born 24 weeks and he could certainly feel pain Very, very few babies are born that early, and besides ignoring the rest of my posts, I'd like more concrete information than something as dubious as you're claiming now. Nor is pain relevant to the discussion. It's a matter of having the state rape women, or not. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 11:31 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from orange joy at 8:33 am on Dec. 2, 2008 Agreed. Its not that I dont think abortions should be legal (would I have one? No. But women should be able to), but if they can't make up their mind before 6 months into the pregnancy, then they shouldnt be getting the abortion; by that point, its a child, imo.   However, if they have the abortion before that, much as I may disagree with them, go right ahead. Your choice, your body. Partial birth abortion is mostly used for medical problems. Currently it is legal to use this procedure for such cases, but anyone should be able to. There is no point in making abortion illegal - at any stage, for any purpose. It increases the size of government, and creates physical hazards - both from pregnancy complications and from having teenagers report their problem to abusive parents. No woman should end up in jail for an abortion. We don't need to throw women into the slammer for it. If a woman is able to find a doctor who will perform an abortion at 30 works, she should be able to. -- Posted by The Samsoniteman at 11:47 am on Dec. 2, 2008 I am taught that if the life of a pregnant woman (and therefore her fetus) is in danger then your priority is always the life of the woman, there are no exceptions. I don't have any statistics to hand but I can't imagine why there should be any partial birth abortions for non-medical reasons. Generally women who have progressed that far into a pregnancy have made up their mind to keep it. -- Posted by exceedinglyrare at 12:39 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 Quote: from The Samsoniteman at 2:47 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 I am taught that if the life of a pregnant woman (and therefore her fetus) is in danger then your priority is always the life of the woman, there are no exceptions. I don't have any statistics to hand but I can't imagine why there should be any partial birth abortions for non-medical reasons. Generally women who have progressed that far into a pregnancy have made up their mind to keep it. That was my thought, too. I just can't figure out what kinds of medical conditions would exist that would necessitate a partial-birth abortion. Of course, speaking from a woman's perspective, I'd be downright pissed if it was me or the baby and the doctors chose me. BUT that's just me. I can't judge other people who don't feel the same way. -- Posted by The Samsoniteman at 1:35 pm on Dec. 2, 2008 What don't you like about it, that it involves removing the fetus from the uterus as part of a surgical termination? Pages: 1 2  Next