-- Posted by Kamalli at 1:30 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Bend your wings06 - 1:46 am on Dec. 4 I have saved of alot of animals by not eating them actually. Wow I didn't know that the meat industry actually takes 1 cow and lets it go free for the 1 cheeseburger you do not eat. [/sarcasm] Gawd I hate vegans. I eat whatever in the hell I want and my life is purely dedicated and will be for my whole life to saving animals, it's what I do. But jesus....some people are so misinformed about their actions. -- Posted by Descartes at 1:31 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 mmmmm steak... -- Posted by Cyanotype at 1:31 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 That's not nice. I feel bad for the animals. -- Posted by MixedDelight at 1:32 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I like meat. I shall not stop eating it. -- Posted by Chasey at 1:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone. -- Posted by One Two Step at 1:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 1:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone. this. -- Posted by frogdude at 1:35 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 i was a veggie but it was fucking stupid -- Posted by FurryPanther at 1:37 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone. So people who eat meat don't respect animals? FP -- Posted by Chasey at 1:39 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:37 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone.   So people who eat meat don't respect animals?   FP If someone ate my family, friends, or me, and kept them in horrific conditions prior to the consumption, I'd consider it a form of disrespect, yes. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 1:41 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:39 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:37 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone. So people who eat meat don't respect animals? FP If someone ate my family, friends, or me, and kept them in horrific conditions prior to the consumption, I'd consider it a form of disrespect, yes. Don't compare animals to people, because that's just stupid. And not everyone eats animals in horrific conditions. Those who buy free-range, organic meat support animals living in very close to their natural environment, and eating well. When I eat meat, I respect where it came from. FP -- Posted by meow666 at 1:42 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 mooooooooooooo yumyumyum >:D -- Posted by Chasey at 1:58 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:41 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:39 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 9:37 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:33 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't eat meat out of respecttttttt. And because the idea makes me feel sick. But I'm aware that I'm not "saving" anyone.      So people who eat meat don't respect animals?      FP    If someone ate my family, friends, or me, and kept them in horrific conditions prior to the consumption, I'd consider it a form of disrespect, yes. Don't compare animals to people, because that's just stupid. And not everyone eats animals in horrific conditions. Those who buy free-range, organic meat support animals living in very close to their natural environment, and eating well. When I eat meat, I respect where it came from. FP Stupid in your judgment, maybe. Don't put your opinion's into other people's mouths. And how small a percentage of the meat people eat is free-range and organic ? I'm guessing it's pretty minuscule. Anyway, it's all down to opinion. If you think eating meat is fine, I don't care. I'm still going to think it's gross and disrespectfull. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 2:05 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:58 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Stupid in your judgment, maybe. Don't put your opinion's into other people's mouths.   And how small a percentage of the meat people eat is free-range and organic ? I'm guessing it's pretty minuscule.   Anyway, it's all down to opinion. If you think eating meat is fine, I don't care. I'm still going to think it's gross and disrespectfull. Animals are not people. Period. If you want to claim they are, find something to back it up besides your idealistic, poetic, and overall childish views. They are worthy of respect, but they simply are not people. Doesn't matter. Making blanket statements doesn't work, because there are always exceptions. Then go for it. FP -- Posted by Chasey at 2:06 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:05 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 2:58 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Stupid in your judgment, maybe. Don't put your opinion's into other people's mouths.    And how small a percentage of the meat people eat is free-range and organic ? I'm guessing it's pretty minuscule.    Anyway, it's all down to opinion. If you think eating meat is fine, I don't care. I'm still going to think it's gross and disrespectfull. Animals are not people. Period. If you want to claim they are, find something to back it up besides your idealistic, poetic, and overall childish views. They are worthy of respect, but they simply are not people. Doesn't matter. Making blanket statements doesn't work, because there are always exceptions. Then go for it. FP I don't EVER recall saying that they are people I also don't understand why you seem to be so offended by the fact I don't eat meat. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 2:09 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:06 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't EVER recall saying that they are people I also don't understand why you seem to be so offended by the fact I don't eat meat. You compared them to family and friends. Fairly reasonable conclusion. I'm offended by your blanket statement. As a chef, I respect everything I cook, and don't appreciate the inferences you're making. FP -- Posted by Chasey at 2:13 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:09 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:06 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 I don't EVER recall saying that they are people    I also don't understand why you seem to be so offended by the fact I don't eat meat. You compared them to family and friends. Fairly reasonable conclusion. I'm offended by your blanket statement. As a chef, I respect everything I cook, and don't appreciate the inferences you're making. FP I compared, yes, but I didn't directly say "I think that animals are people". I think that they should be respected on the same level that humans are respected. The thing is, you respect the food, not the animal. If you really respected the animal, you wouldn't be eating it. Fair enough if you appreciate the fact it died to be eaten, but that's not respect. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 2:16 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:13 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 The thing is, you respect the food, not the animal. If you really respected the animal, you wouldn't be eating it. Fair enough if you appreciate the fact it died to be eaten, but that's not respect. No, it's respect. I make sure the animals I eat lived a good life. I make sure they died in a humane way. I make sure it is treated with respect at every step, or I don't buy it. FP -- Posted by Chasey at 2:23 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:16 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:13 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 The thing is, you respect the food, not the animal. If you really respected the animal, you wouldn't be eating it. Fair enough if you appreciate the fact it died to be eaten, but that's not respect. No, it's respect. I make sure the animals I eat lived a good life. I make sure they died in a humane way. I make sure it is treated with respect at every step, or I don't buy it. FP Well congrats, it's awesome that you do that and all, but I highly doubt many other people do that, seriously. Also, I don't recall saying "everyone who eats meat doesn't respect animals". I said that I don't eat meat because I consider it to be disrespectful, even if the animal did live a good life. Even if you disagree, I'm set in my opinion, and I'm not hurting anyone, so I don't see the problem. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 2:28 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:23 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:16 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:13 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 The thing is, you respect the food, not the animal. If you really respected the animal, you wouldn't be eating it. Fair enough if you appreciate the fact it died to be eaten, but that's not respect.    No, it's respect. I make sure the animals I eat lived a good life. I make sure they died in a humane way. I make sure it is treated with respect at every step, or I don't buy it.    FP Well congrats, it's awesome that you do that and all, but I highly doubt many other people do that, seriously. Also, I don't recall saying "everyone who eats meat doesn't respect animals". I said that I don't eat meat because I consider it to be disrespectful, even if the animal did live a good life.   Even if you disagree, I'm set in my opinion, and I'm not hurting anyone, so I don't see the problem. Explain to me how giving an animal a humane life and death, and having it's body used is disrespectful, while letting it be wild, and die violently by predator, disease, old age, or starvation is respectful... FP -- Posted by Chasey at 3:08 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:28 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:23 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from FurryPanther at 10:16 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 Quote: from Chasey at 3:13 pm on Dec. 4, 2008 The thing is, you respect the food, not the animal. If you really respected the animal, you wouldn't be eating it. Fair enough if you appreciate the fact it died to be eaten, but that's not respect.     No, it's respect. I make sure the animals I eat lived a good life. I make sure they died in a humane way. I make sure it is treated with respect at every step, or I don't buy it.     FP    Well congrats, it's awesome that you do that and all, but I highly doubt many other people do that, seriously.    Also, I don't recall saying "everyone who eats meat doesn't respect animals". I said that I don't eat meat because I consider it to be disrespectful, even if the animal did live a good life.    Even if you disagree, I'm set in my opinion, and I'm not hurting anyone, so I don't see the problem. Explain to me how giving an animal a humane life and death, and having it's body used is disrespectful, while letting it be wild, and die violently by predator, disease, old age, or starvation is respectful... FP I understand and value the fact it was given a humane life and death prior to being eaten, but that's not that part that I'd regard as disrespectful in this case, obviously. Free-range or not, I still consider breeding animals to be eaten, having them die unnaturally, and then consumed, in my opinion disrespectful. On the subject of it being "killed violently by a predator": In the wild, it's more of a kill or starve situation, whereas with humans, we could easily live on an all-vegetarian diet (I know most people would strongly disagree with this statement, but can I just point out that what you've never tried, you won't miss). It's essential for predators to kill to eat. It's not mandatory for people to kill to eat. Also, in the wild, the entire corpse is more often than not consumed entirely. I'm aware that, for the majority of the time, the mass of the carcass is simply disposed of in the case of humans eating meat. As for the disease factor; I've been lead to believe that a great number of the animals kept in factory farms etc die of disease. I'm quite aware that there are free-range farms, but the majority of meat comes from factory farms. And either way, it doesn't cancel out the fact that animals are still dying of disease in the more inhumane produce farms. But honestly, I just believe that allowing an animal to live it's life, and not interfeer, is my way of respecting it. I understand if other people want to eat meat, but I don't want to. I'd appreciate it if you let me have my own opinion, because, once again, it doesn't effect anyone but me. -- Posted by allsmiles at 3:34 am on Dec. 5, 2008 FurryPanther, why are you being such a dick? Chasey never said that meat eaters cannot respect animals. :/ -- Posted by lys at 5:21 am on Dec. 5, 2008 I've been a vegetarian since I was 4 years old and my general understanding of the do vegetarians and vegans really save animals debate is that if there is less demand for meat then less animals would be slaughtered thus resulting in some very small number of animal's lives saved (but I am not deluded into thinking my dietary choices are making any sort of big impact).   And on the subject of free range meats, I don't really think that free range does not automatically mean they weren't cruelly treated. Some(I won't say all because I don't have knowledge of every slaughter house) killing methods that are allowed by law are still very cruel and unnatural. I don't have any problems with people choosing to eat meat though, I made a personal choice to not eat animals and I adhere by it but that doesn't mean other people should have to. -- Posted by FurryPanther at 10:25 am on Dec. 5, 2008 Quote: from allsmiles at 4:34 am on Dec. 5, 2008 FurryPanther, why are you being such a dick? Chasey never said that meat eaters cannot respect animals. :/ Yeah she did. We can appreciate, but not respect. I'm not being a dick. You can be vegan/vegetarian if you want, no loss to me. I'm just trying to understand it, because I think it's ridiculous, and a product of the media. FP -- Posted by austin s23 at 4:33 pm on Dec. 5, 2008 im a vegan