Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Anonymous at 10:55 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Think that the condition of Africa is African peoples fault and that they should fix their poverty issues themselves. I have to disagree with this because a lot of people think of it as a non moral issue. Like they think it's " Why should we waste our time helping Africa? It's not like we will benefit off of it." Well usually if you have a soul, it would be morally right to put effort in helping people who are suffering from famine, disease and other poor living conditions. I mean people may think it's a waste of time but in my opinion if you are a human being with a soul you would do it just because it is morally right. It shows how much the world really cares for people if it has nothing to do with money. Now there are many people that go to help Africa and other places of poverty in the country. That's really great but a lot of people think that that's good enough. I mean I don't think people realize how much our country could help places like Africa if we weren't so greedy and bent on war. The U.S.A is a great example of a Money Maniac country that would take lives just for profit. I mean if you think Africa is going to flourish without some aid then your living in a dream world. THEY NEED MORE HELP. No, not because there's gonna be money for us if we do, not because we owe them. WE should do it because we should help other people. That's what needs to happen. There are Americans who see that and care. Others though seem to be in that state of mind that "if there's no reason of benefit to me, then I will not help save lives." Also you know what happens when people do help Africa? This is what happens. When Oprah Winfrey build a school for girls in Africa, you actually got some people who said " Why can't she do that for people in America? Why Africa?" I mean that's just heartless. America obviously has more than Africa as far as education opportunities. I mean not to say anything that might get some white people angry but there are a good number of white people that grow bitter at a black person having something. Like one time my mom)we are black) had a rental car. This white guy who was our neighbor came rushing out and said " Is that your car?". When my mom said no he was like "That's a relief". Then they hassled us over the phone as if they are so amazed that we had a car like that and that they were grateful that it wasn't really ours. There are many more incidents like that. I mean on a sort of off topic note, I don't mind if I complement a white person or say that there are white people that are smart. Though a lot of times when you complement some white people, they will take that and run with it and say things like " Whites are the smartest, that's why or " whites are the prettiest race, that's why, blacks are ugly." I mean when blacks are complimented, they don't take that and run with it as much as a white person would. Mainly because of a point of view. Black people can be more insecure and be grateful when complimented. Then there are some white people that already think they are in a way better, then when a person of another race compliments them it's like the icing on the cake to them. Back on topic though. People need to stop saying " Black people suck, their mainland is a shithole!" Cause you know, whites colonizing in Africa didn't help when they mined diamonds and lived in the better and richer parts of Africa while the natives of the land suffered. I just wanted to say that =/ -- Posted by af444 at 10:56 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 why post as an annon? -- Posted by MixedDelight at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 What kind of person has that attitude? "Why should I do anything about dying children if it doesn't effect me." That's really sickening. -- Posted by Dass at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 but survival of the fittest is a natural process... -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Africa is beyond help.  No country can help now. -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 10:58 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from MixedDelight at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 What kind of person has that attitude? "Why should I do anything about dying children if it doesn't effect me." That's really sickening. I have that attitude. I'm not sending shit to Africa. -- Posted by Anonymous at 10:58 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from MixedDelight at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 What kind of person has that attitude? "Why should I do anything about dying children if it doesn't effect me." That's really sickening. Well surprisingly, a lot of people do actually think like that because some people don't care about your race in the first place. When they see programs about it their attitudes are like " It's just poor black people, what else is new?" and then they change the channel. -- Posted by rawrr at 10:59 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Why are you targeting America? there are other countries that could help, why does America have to help everyone? We have every right to just think about ourselves. -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 11:00 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 10:58 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from MixedDelight at 10:57 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 What kind of person has that attitude?    "Why should I do anything about dying children if it doesn't effect me." That's really sickening. Well surprisingly, a lot of people do actually think like that because some people don't care about your race in the first place. When they see programs about it their attitudes are like " It's just poor black people, what else is new?" and then they change the channel. You know you're in the fucking shitter when people think "What else is new."  That there is a hole you'll never get out of. -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 11:00 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from rawrr at 10:59 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Why are you targeting America? there are other countries that could help, why does America have to help everyone? We have every right to just think about ourselves. United States of America: Super hero of planet Earth -- Posted by Anonymous at 11:01 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from rawrr at 10:59 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Why are you targeting America? there are other countries that could help, why does America have to help everyone? We have every right to just think about ourselves. Oh no don't get me wrong! I am talking about other countries too. America being a major one because it's so bent on war and taking money from people instead of giving money to someone less fortunate. America may have rights to turn it's back, that would make it immoral though. No one ever takes morals seriously. Morals are now overshadowed by greed. -- Posted by JeanClaude at 11:05 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from MixedDelight at 1:57 am on Dec. 28, 2008 What kind of person has that attitude? "Why should I do anything about dying children if it doesn't effect me." That's really sickening. That's the attitude most people have when they don't have to live with it themselves. -- Posted by Just Waiting Here at 11:06 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 American isn't made purely of white people.  There is a large black population that's part of America too that probably aren't doing anything to help the population in any other country either.  That was one thing that stuck out in your post... was how it was all, more or less, pointing towards white people being the main cause of this. Ultimately, I see no difference between race (although there are some clear biological differences).  To say that black people take compliments and don't run with it is a general statement.  You can't encompass every single person based off only a few that you may have encountered.  Some people are racist, that's a fact.  Not every American would be upset if someone of a different race had something more than them. As well, what is the statistical amount of 'so many white people'.  The region you live in also typically has trends on these views.  There are MANY Americans in the world... can you say percentage wise that most are the way you are describing them? In terms of it being morally correct to help other countries.  Morality is all in the eye of the beholder... and ultimatel, politics all comes down to money.  People can only do so much, and it can't be a single-handed effort to help an entire population.  Simply put, some people don't care... and it's quite clear that America doesn't have all the money in the world right now to support another country entirely.  Don't get me wrong... I would love to help out people, and I do think they should have consideration.  Some people, just don't give a damn, and that's too bad... but others do, and they can only do so much. -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 11:06 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from Anonymous at 11:01 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 America being a major one because it's so bent on war and taking money from people instead of giving money to someone less fortunate. Pretty sure America has done a lot more than MANY other countries. -- Posted by airemaye at 11:09 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 European colonization and exploitation kind of screwed them over to begin with, but unstable governments and psycho dictators have perpetuated the situation. I mean, it would be wonderful if there was an easy solution to all the world's problems. It would be wonderful if we could suddenly cure AIDS and feed all the starving children in the world and overthrow all the dictatorships, but we can't. We can do pathetically little in the scheme of things. There's no magical panacea, just little steps we can take to ensure that day-to-day life is a little bit easier for people. There's nothing we can do to magically turn their lives and their countries completely around. -- Posted by Anonymous at 11:20 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 But guys. America can do so much more but it spends all it's tax money on paying bailouts to corporations that rob people of their money and things for this dang war. Besides I am not saying black people are to blame. It just seems that based off real life conflicts with many people and my own is that there are white people and some people of other races that don't think Africa is worth helping. Many look at the starving children and have that " That's what they get for being black" attitude. You notice that I don't use "white people" as much as I do "people" in the text. You do notice how the majority of the people are white and a very very very very very very large portion of the people who run the country are white don't you? -- Posted by Chevelledrew at 11:35 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 We need the bailouts so we don't end up being a fucking dump like any country in Africa.  Jesus Christ you're so fucking dense.  You're just doing some race card bull shit, but really, don't you realize most African countries are in the fucking hole, that there isn't shit our country can do to help them. Bitch to China.  They've got money out their ass and they haven't done anything to help Africa out. -- Posted by Just Waiting Here at 11:38 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Of course a large portion of people who run the country are white, but there is a good deal of the population that are not white, and of those that are white, support the same opinion as you do. The thing is, any large scale political change causes disaster.  It's easy to say that American has money for bail outs, but we're hitting a recession, or whatever it's call.  Many people are losing their jobs, people are losing houses, etc.  Yes, the people in Africa have it bad, and people here should care about them.  But there is a LARGE number of people in the US that are living pay check to pay check.  Something as simple as getting rid of war gets rid of jobs (I am very anti-war, but that's just one thing).  Is it really immoral for the people of the US, who themselves are in a tough spot, to worry about their OWN fortune and not spend large amounts on others when they themselves don't have much?  It costs more to sustain a life here, and ultimately, some people need this money to continue living a life in a house, to send their kids to school, to put a decent meal on the table. Obviously there is a vast number difference in the two countries, but my point is this.  It's not so simple.  The leader of a country cannot put those of another country before the people of its own. And again... some people do think those things, it's undeniable that there are some people that are racist.  However, that's for every race... someone black can think the same things about someone white, someone hispanic can hate someone middle eastern.  Someone told my aunt to 'go back to her own country', when she herself wasn't from the country.  And all my aunt did was told her to pick up after her dog, because the girl hadn't done it the past few times, and she got that kind of response. Ultimately, is there something wong with worrying about one's own place in life?  Financial changes cause financial changes in the people.  Tax raises, cuts from welfare, etc, etc.  It's not so simple to change everything and think that that is that.  If it ~was~ that easy, then it would have been done by now.  With time, maybe we can get somewhere... and countries are making small efforts... individuals are doing their part.  But there's only so much that can be done at one time. All in all, it's not just Africa.  Some people are probably thinking, "why are countries lending money to America, they deserve it".  You're going to get many walks of life, and some people want their money to remain their money.  You may consider it selfish, they may consider it 'every man for themself'. -- Posted by Anonymous at 11:46 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 Quote: from Chevelledrew at 11:35 pm on Dec. 27, 2008 We need the bailouts so we don't end up being a fucking dump like any country in Africa. Jesus Christ you're so fucking dense. You're just doing some race card bull shit, but really, don't you realize most African countries are in the fucking hole, that there isn't shit our country can do to help them. Bitch to China. They've got money out their ass and they haven't done anything to help Africa out. We don't need bailouts! Corporations made loans on purpose, knowing people couldn't pay for them. Same deal as for foreclosed housing. It's another way for the corporations to rob you. We pay so many taxes and we don't even know what the money is going to. Yeah pay 700 billion dollars in taxes of bailout to Walstreet(among other companies who now want bailouts), that's going to help us (sarcasm). But Lets not get into the discussion over he financial crisis because this is about Africa. No one is playing the race card here so lets not get so defensive. You have the wrong attitude. The "There's nothing we could possibly do so we should stop trying to help them" attitude. Not everybody is as careless as you     Besides I have stated how other countries aren't helping too. But I guess It's like many say. "No one cares about a bunch of black people on a big ol island" -- Posted by The Last Magister at 1:33 am on Dec. 28, 2008 This topic made me giggle. I really don't care what my ancestors did to Africa, which they didn't, because the Bavarians were too busy fighting the Ottomans by the way, but I am sure that you assume that all white people had a hand in what Africa became, therefore it's all of our responsibilities to clean up that shithole. Oh no, you can get the people who's ancestors are actually responsible, not I. Second, as for moral standards, let me put it to you this way; I care more about my family and my loved ones, then anyone else, especially people I've never met, that act like I owe them something, when I don't. It's that simple. Please, get a goddamn education. -- Posted by GoloSLB at 9:55 am on Dec. 28, 2008 stop stereotyping white people. -- Posted by kidd rune at 10:18 am on Dec. 28, 2008 Africa is overpopulated and they can't handle that many people. What can fix that? -- Posted by iinsurgent at 11:20 am on Dec. 28, 2008 more AIDS and famine! -- Posted by Anonymous at 12:55 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 1:33 am on Dec. 28, 2008 This topic made me giggle. I really don't care what my ancestors did to Africa, which they didn't, because the Bavarians were too busy fighting the Ottomans by the way, but I am sure that you assume that all white people had a hand in what Africa became, therefore it's all of our responsibilities to clean up that shithole.   Oh no, you can get the people who's ancestors are actually responsible, not I. Second, as for moral standards, let me put it to you this way; I care more about my family and my loved ones, then anyone else, especially people I've never met, that act like I owe them something, when I don't. It's that simple.   Please, get a goddamn education. No one said it was like that. No one said anyone had to do this because of slavery. You may think I am one of those black people that think all white people owe us but I don't think that. I am saying that the colonization of white people there didn't help which someone agreed with me on. I am not saying people should do it because they owe anyone. This isn't about helping Africa because they owe us. See your still not getting what I mean when I say morals. It's not about money, it's not about owing them, it's not about any of that. It's about having the moral conscience in general to help people. This goes for everyone so sorry if you got mistaken thinking that I thought whites owe them. There are people who do go to help people in Africa. I just think it should get more support because many countries don't give a dam. What is so controversial about me criticizing other countries for not giving a dam? Are we too proud of ourselves to do that? So please get it right next time you post here. This isn't about paying back people who's ancestors have been enslaved. This is just about helping people.   You care about your family. That is good. Why not push to help other people? So because you only care about your family that means the U.S.A among other countries should not give a dam about people suffering? Again it's a morally right thing and why not help starving children in another place? It's a moral thing and God smiles upon you when you do good things. He frowns upon people who think like " At least I'm not going to die, so I am not going to bother calling the police on the people beating that man across the street." So sorry if you thought this was a "whites owe blacks" thing because this goes for everyone too But it kind of sickens me how you guys are getting so mad over the idea that I think more people should help Africa. Does it make you that angry that I call out the world for not caring? Jesus this is an example of how human beings in this day and age don't care at all. Not even for the people in their own country. I'm done with you guys. -- Posted by The Last Magister at 7:02 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 Why Africa? Do you think Africa is the only place that needs help? What about eastern europe? What about China? The country is doing well, but not a large portion of their people. The fact is, we pour plenty of money into Africa-it just never reaches the people it's supposed to. Is it our fault? No. Don't act like the blame for inactivity is on us, blame the governments who are taking our financial aid and using it as war funds. -- Posted by Anonymous at 7:09 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:02 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 Why Africa? Do you think Africa is the only place that needs help?   What about eastern europe? What about China? The country is doing well, but not a large portion of their people. The fact is, we pour plenty of money into Africa-it just never reaches the people it's supposed to. Is it our fault? No. Don't act like the blame for inactivity is on us, blame the governments who are taking our financial aid and using it as war funds. That's what I have been saying! Also I included other places in the world that need help too. So all this time you thought I was saying that white people are to blame for all of this? No I am saying the nations in General don't care enough and as far as real life and the internet, I see that the citizens don't think Africa is worth helping either. So it's everyone in generals negative feelings that are to blame. When I was talking about white people I was saying that there are many white people that already don't care for black people as much and think "Just leave that barbaric island to itself, it's not worth helping". That isn't saying that all white people think that way. -- Posted by The Last Magister at 7:23 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 The reason people say "Just leave it alone, it's not worth it."(Including myself) Is people are CONSTANTLY trying to help Africa. There are non-for-profit organizations, missions, UN, NATO, and individual national support organizations, but the resources are abused. Missionaries get massacred, NATO escalates situations 10x as worse as before, funding given is taken by dictators and militants to divert as war funds to escalate violence further. We help plenty, we give them the tools, the truth is Africa isn't capable of helping itself. -- Posted by Anonymous at 7:25 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 Quote: from TheLastMagister at 7:23 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 The reason people say "Just leave it alone, it's not worth it."(Including myself) Is people are CONSTANTLY trying to help Africa. There are non-for-profit organizations, missions, UN, NATO, and individual national support organizations, but the resources are abused. Missionaries get massacred, NATO escalates situations 10x as worse as before, funding given is taken by dictators and militants to divert as war funds to escalate violence further.   We help plenty, we give them the tools, the truth is Africa isn't capable of helping itself. It's a poor country. The people who colonized there and mined all the diamonds are sure living the life in the good area's though -- Posted by jakelong at 12:38 am on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from kidd rune at 10:18 am on Dec. 28, 2008 Africa is overpopulated and they can't handle that many people. What can fix that? In the 1970s Africa was not overpopulated at all and still famine was a problem there. -- Posted by Bud2400 at 12:05 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Africa's main problem with famine results in the fact that countries like the US subsidizes its agriculture and then exports its food products overseas to places such as Africa. Then the food is thrown into their markets at a price cheaper than the cost of production, and since African governments cannot subsidize agriculture as the IMF (who they have taken loans out of during the late 1970s during the oil crisis), farmers are forced out of business and the country is completely dependent on foreign imports of food. Sending massive amounts of food for aid only exasperates this problem even further. So now you have African citizens without work and thus without money. This sort of thing keeps them impoverished, and therefore dependent on food imports from the US. And remember, when you import something as vital as food like that, the price can vary a great deal depending on the cost of transportation. Back last summer when gas was at least $4 a gallon, it only drove the costs of food for them up even further, and with their food industry already destroyed, it's not exactly like they can just go back to farming so easily, so they're stuck. This was the biggest causes of the World Food Crisis that was going on, and still is to some extent. If not for these problems and with a working agricultural industry, Africa could easily feed itself today, even with its current population. Pages: 1 2  Next