-- Posted by LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements.  But here we are in 2008, almost 2009.  We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism?  I can only hope. -- Posted by Leelyy at 2:47 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Nah. I like superstitions. :D -- Posted by wendywallflower at 2:55 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 I wish. -- Posted by Wilder at 2:57 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 I think that the increasing number of faithless religions and generaly increased emphasis on scientific rationalism seen in many areas is indicative of where we are going, but I highly doubt that superstition will vanish, this generation or ever. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 3:02 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from Wilder at 2:57 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 I think that the increasing number of faithless religions and generaly increased emphasis on scientific rationalism seen in many areas is indicative of where we are going, but I highly doubt that superstition will vanish, this generation or ever. True...but if Norway and Sweden are any indicators..... -- Posted by LogicandReason at 3:03 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from wendywallflower at 2:55 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 I wish. Don't wish...make it happen. -- Posted by Colleen35 at 4:35 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Isn't science just another form of superstition, which is easier to convince the modern mindset of? -- Posted by LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Quote: from Colleen35 at 4:35 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Isn't science just another form of superstition, which is easier to convince the modern mindset of? Perhaps hypothetical theory is.  If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity. Why do theist hate science so? -- Posted by Colleen35 at 1:25 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Perhaps hypothetical theory is. If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity. As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no? -- Posted by Shogun villimax at 4:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope. Here here! Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact! Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong! -- Posted by LogicandReason at 6:08 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from Shogun villimax at 4:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements.  But here we are in 2008, almost 2009.  We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism?  I can only hope. Here here! Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact! Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong! Yours created god to judge our actions as wrong.  Prohibitions and privations in society were created in order for us to coexist, not propitiate delusional myths. -- Posted by Demon Army at 7:21 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope. Fail. Humans started out as hunter-gatherers, not farmers. Religion or superstition almost certainly predates agriculture. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 5:10 am on Dec. 31, 2008 Quote: from Demon Army at 7:21 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements.  But here we are in 2008, almost 2009.  We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism?  I can only hope. Fail. Humans started out as hunter-gatherers, not farmers. Religion or superstition almost certainly predates agriculture. I agree...but the organized religions flourished in agrarian societies as the weather cycle is much more devastating to the farmer than the hunter. Just a FYI, the Adam and Eve story is originally from Babylon and many scholars say that it reenacts man move from hunting and gathering yp agriculture...according to theory, women, who wished to nest, pressured men to give up the nomad life and settle to become farmers.  Thus leaving paradise (the freedom to roam) for the first version of the burbs. Excellent post Demon. -- Posted by draakprinses at 2:02 am on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from Colleen35 at 3:25 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008  Perhaps hypothetical theory is.  If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity.   As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no? Science is observable and measurable. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 4:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from draakprinses at 2:02 am on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from Colleen35 at 3:25 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008     Perhaps hypothetical theory is. If you drive a car, fly on airplanes or take medicines when you are ill, then the 'superstition' must have some veracity.      As much as praying when you're ill gives religion veracity, no? Science is observable and measurable. I don't think that is a fair comparison.  When we drive a car, fly in an airplane or take medicine for a diagnosed condition, we, for the most part. can predict the outcome.  Can the same be said about prayer? While it is arguable that prayer offers psychological comfort and other benefits, the result is capricious.  Theist thank god when the 'prayer is answered.'  People offer that is is 'god's will' when the request goes unanswered.  The truth is, some things we hope for will work out and others will not.  Our scientific accomplishments offer predictable results.  As your signature quote says: "Science is observable and measurable." -- Posted by NikkiG at 4:30 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 5:03 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from NikkiG at 4:30 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science. I hear you..and that is a candid response.  Science, God, or acid trips may never explain everything to us; but how mundane if life possessed no mystery.  I posit both God and science are linguistic synonyms...just different denominations of varied 'faith.'  I choose science because it constantly allows for corrective dogma. -- Posted by airemaye at 7:31 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 The need to explain natural happenings (most often through spiritual means) is a cultural human universal, much like the tendency to wear clothes and follow fashions, have marriage and coming of age rituals, and appreciate music and the arts. In other words, it's part of what makes us human and unless we change our very base instincts, we'll always have religion. I'm a future sociology major, just go with it, okay? -- Posted by Clouse227 at 7:39 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 I doubt it. Never hurts to hope though. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 6:17 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Quote: from NikkiG at 4:30 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Um as long as fucked up unexplainable shit keeps happening, I will continue to be superstious. I'm not religious, but I still believe that there's a personal force that moves things because I have experienced far too many coincidences in my life for it to be just science. I also believe in ghosts because I have personally seen them. I will believe this stuff until it is explained by science. That's stupid. Have fun believing in the flying spaghetti monster. -- Posted by GeneCosta at 6:20 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Quote: from airemaye   I'm a future sociology major, just go with it, okay? Because someone who doesn't even have their sociology major said so? Sorry, I look for more prudent sources than you. The need to explain natural happenings (most often through spiritual means) is a cultural human universal, much like the tendency to wear clothes and follow fashions, have marriage and coming of age rituals, and appreciate music and the arts.   And conduct slavery. Wait: civilizations evolve. There's already motion in effect to have non-religion dominate the world, as it should (if we want a world based in scientific discoveries and calm, rational discussions instead of religious nonsense). In every developed world atheism and agnosticism are set to become pluralities and majorities.   -- Posted by GeneCosta at 6:22 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Quote: from Colleen35 at 4:35 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Isn't science just another form of superstition, which is easier to convince the modern mindset of? Jump off a cliff and tell me gravity is superstition. -- Posted by Shogun villimax at 3:32 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:08 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from Shogun villimax at 4:15 pm on Dec. 30, 2008 Quote: from LogicandReason at 2:45 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Superstition is a product of an agrarian society as farmers try to propitiate gods in hopes of avoiding the capricious destructive nature of the weather and elements. But here we are in 2008, almost 2009. We have science and we are industrial...will this generation unleash itself from the ignorance and bigotry of ancient thinkers and strive towards egalitarianism? I can only hope.    Here here!    Insted of beleving that everything had to come from something,lets ignore scientific fact!    Anything as long as there isint a god that can say what we're doing is wrong! Yours created god to judge our actions as wrong. Prohibitions and privations in society were created in order for us to coexist, not propitiate delusional myths. ...Because If God exists then he can tell me what I'm doing is wrong! So insted of the delusional myth of God,I'll beleve the even more delusional myth that what ever made the universe and our bodies doesin't care how we use them! -- Posted by Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so? Where did you get that idea? -- Posted by LogicandReason at 4:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so? Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US. -- Posted by Destinys Child at 5:00 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so? Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But there most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US. Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason??? -- Posted by osmoticdespair at 5:38 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Southern Hemisphere says no. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 3:08 am on Jan. 14, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:00 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so? Where did you get that idea? As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine. Some birth control! And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion! But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US. Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason??? Those are but a few examples. From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is. Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo. Now let's consider your reply. In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message. In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list. Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth. -- Posted by Destinys Child at 10:34 am on Jan. 14, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 5:08 am on Jan. 14, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 5:00 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 6:25 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from Destinys Child at 4:13 pm on Jan. 13, 2009 Quote: from LogicandReason at 7:24 pm on Dec. 29, 2008 Why do theist hate science so? Where did you get that idea?    As an example, the Christian campaign against using the HPV vaccine.  Some birth control!  And speaking of birth control, Christians, despite statistics showing that birth control and sex education dramatically lowers teen pregnancy, teach their children abstinence...and then rail against abortion!  But their most amazing fight against science is the Evolution debate that rages on only in the US. Is that all science is to you? Birth control and evolution? And that makes all theists anti-science? That makes a lot of sense. And you call yourself LogicandReason??? Those are but a few examples.  From the time of early atomic theory (Democritus/5th century BCE) theist have been trying to thwart science because it exposes supernatural metaphysics for the mythology it is.   Take the cases of Copernicus and Galileo. Now let's consider your reply.  In typical theistic fashion you attack the messenger rather than debate the message.  In my post I never stated all theists nor did I cite these examples as the inclusive list.  Your meme fights any explanation for reality that competes with talking snakes and suicidal deities...both pure myth. Science doesn't deal with the supernatural or with mythology. It only examines/investigates the physical world. No, you didn't say ALL theists but then you didn't qualify it at all. You didn't say most or some or a few, you simply said 'theists'... which would imply you believe it's inclusive of pretty much all theists. And I believe you used those examples because you think those are the easy ones to "prove". But so far your 'message' has all been opinion. Yours. I don't have any problem at all with science. I have a problem with foolish people who attempt to use science against God/theism/religion. That's not what science is about. And I'm not a very religious person myself.