Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Member X at 2:06 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Some people think they aren't. Is that true? I don't care either way; I was just curious. -- Posted by sadnessness at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 id say theyre white yes -- Posted by katbabes at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They are, all europeans are. -- Posted by Stand Up at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 White as in they have a light skin colour? Or white as in "race"? -- Posted by DemolitionxXxLover at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 I am Italian and look at me lol -- Posted by S0LITUDE at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 they're green white and red -- Posted by Frubeling at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 *facepalm* Yes, unless theyre any other colour -- Posted by Miss Vanity at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Yeah, they are. -- Posted by angel08 at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 i think they are, but if your that curious, go look it up in google. its easier that way -- Posted by OneSquared at 2:08 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from katbabes at 6:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They are, all europeans are. whata bout black europeans? -- Posted by J U S T at 2:08 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure they are considered "Caucasian" if that's what you mean. -- Posted by InsaneBlue at 2:08 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Sicilians have a bit of Arab blood, but mainland Italians are mostly white as far as I know. -- Posted by snowfish at 2:08 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 The definition of white is mostly political, and it has changed a lot over time. When white was first used, it didn't include the irish, italians, spanish, greeks, jews, or eastern europeans, but to varying extents it has grown to incorporate all of these. -- Posted by roryboy at 2:08 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Until the 1920s they were considered a non-white race., Now it is not the case. -- Posted by MaryLin at 2:09 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They're European. Of course they are. -- Posted by Natsy at 2:13 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 they're tanned xx -- Posted by ificanscream at 2:18 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 uhm im part italian. and salvadorean. soo idenno. some poeple can tell, some can't. -- Posted by IheartNY at 2:20 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 some are and som aren't depending on looks..I've been with a few Italians..one had blue eyes blonde hair..another had black hair and olive skin and he didn't look white -- Posted by SpasticTurnip at 2:20 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They're tanned. But not like black. -- Posted by Member X at 2:24 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from angel08 at 2:07 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 i think they are, but if your that curious, go look it up in google.   its easier that way I know. I just wanted to see how people would react to the question. Thanks for the replies everyone. And, Jeannie, I mean white as in race. -- Posted by charlottina at 2:25 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 mostly :) -- Posted by GoloSLB at 5:06 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They are of the caucasian race, and they are Western European.  How are they not white.   -- Posted by GoloSLB at 5:06 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from SpasticTurnip at 2:20 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 They're tanned.   But not like black. I lol'd. -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:17 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Generally, yes - but many South Italians have questionable ancestry and the Northern Whites believes they are all mixed. -- Posted by GoloSLB at 6:20 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 6:17 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Generally, yes - but many South Italians have questionable ancestry and the Northern Whites believes they are all mixed. Northern Europeans believe a lot of strange things.  Southern Italians are not Arab...don't start that. -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:50 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Northern Europeans believe a lot of strange things.  Southern Italians are not Arab...don't start that. I meant Northern Italian Whites. So they're still Italians. Joining the Pillars of Hercules: mtDNA Sequences Show Multidirectional Gene Flow in the Western Mediterranean S. Plaza, F. Calafell, A. Helal, N. Bouzerna, G. Lefranc, J. Bertranpetit and D. Comas Phylogenetic analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) performed in Western Mediterranean populations has shown that both shores share a common set of mtDNA haplogroups already found in Europe and the Middle East. Principal co-ordinates of genetic distances and principal components analyses based on the haplotype frequencies show that the main genetic difference is attributed to the higher frequency of sub-Saharan L haplogroups in NW Africa, showing some gene flow across the Sahara desert, with a major impact in the southern populations of NW Africa. Each of the subregions analysed (NW Africa and SW Europe) shows sequences that originated on the opposite shore of the Mediterranean. This is particularly clear in the case of U6 and L in SW Europe. L sequences are found at frequencies 3% in Iberia and 2.4% in Italy. Given the relatively high frequencies of L sequences in NW Africa, it is not clear whether they were contributed by the historical populations movements from the south to the north of the Mediterranean (such as the Moslem invasions of the 7th-11th centuries), or whether its presence is associated with other processes not directly linked to NW Africa. Three Italian L sequences have been described throughout Africa, and the remaining five are not found in >1,000 sub-Saharan individuals. Thus, the presence of L sequences cannot be attributed to migration from NW Africa, and may instead represent gene flow from other sources, such as the Neolithic expansion or the Roman slave trade. American Journal of Human Genetics., 68:537-542, 2001 According to a study conducted by Lluís Quintana-Murci et. al.. and published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 68, 2001, pages 537-542, the Middle Easter Haplogproup HG9 runs at 20% in Italy. Y-Chromosome Lineages Trace Diffusion of People and Languages in Southwestern Asia Lluís Quintana-Murci,1 Csilla Krausz,1 Tatiana Zerjal,2 S. Hamid Sayar,3 Michael F. Hammer,4 S. Qasim Mehdi,5 Qasim Ayub,5 Raheel Qamar,5 Aisha Mohyuddin,5 Uppala Radhakrishna,6 Mark A. Jobling,7 Chris Tyler-Smith,2 and Ken McElreavey1 . . . HG 9, defined by the 12f2 deletion, is largely confined to caucasoid populations, with its highest frequencies being found in Middle Eastern populations. In Iranian populations, HG 9 shows very high frequencies (30%60%). Populations from the southeastern Caspian region and the Zagros Mountains exhibit the highest frequencies so far observed (60%). High frequencies of HG 9 have been found throughout the Fertile Crescent region (Hammer et al. 2000): Palestinians, 51%; Lebanese, 46%; and Syrians, 57%. The incidences of HG 9 in Pakistan (18%) and northern India (19%) indicate a decreasing-frequency cline from Iran toward India. Table 1 Frequency Distribution of HG 9 and HG 3 in Human Populations from Different Regions Code: REGION* NFREQUENCY(%)**          SOURCE                        HG9HG3 Iran:***     Azarbaijan833417Present study     Zagros Mountains34596Present study     Western Caspian32533Present study     Eastern Caspian255620Present study     Tehran region503014Present study     Central-north79399Present study     Central-south723817Present study     Eastern provinces263531Present study Pakistan7081832Present study India:     Gujurat581926Present study     Jaunpur152NT20Zerjal et al. (1999)     Indians mixed72NT15Hammer et al. (1998)     Uttar Pradesh627NTSemino et al. (1996) Sri Lanka83NT15Hammer et al. (1998) Middle East:     Lebanon24464Hammer et al. (2000)     Syria91579Hammer et al. (2000)     Palestine73510Hammer et al. (2000) Europe:     Turkey167335Rosser et al. (2000)     Russia122447Rosser et al. (2000)     Ukraine27030Rosser et al. (2000)     Latvia34041Rosser et al. (2000)     Poland112454Rosser et al. (2000)     Greece36288Rosser et al. (2000)     Italy99202Rosser et al. (2000)     Spain12632Rosser et al. (2000) Africa:     Algeria27410Rosser et al. (2000)     Sub-Saharan Africa19910Hammer et al. (2000) -- Posted by kidd rune at 6:54 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Well that is quite a fucked up chart as the tab didn't work. Here you go: http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6599/clipboard19cf7.jpg -- Posted by GoloSLB at 8:04 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 The first source your quoted is fail on Italy and Iberia because they think that bomb places are each made up a single ethnicity. What exactly do the numbers mean...I'm looking at Europe in particular... -- Posted by kidd rune at 8:29 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 The first source your quoted is fail on Italy and Iberia because they think that bomb places are each made up a single ethnicity. What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read it? From the first: Each of the subregions analysed (NW Africa and SW Europe) shows sequences that originated on the opposite shore of the Mediterranean. This is particularly clear in the case of U6 and L in SW Europe. L sequences are found at frequencies 3% in Iberia and 2.4% in Italy. Given the relatively high frequencies of L sequences in NW Africa, it is not clear whether they were contributed by the historical populations movements from the south to the north of the Mediterranean (such as the Moslem invasions of the 7th-11th centuries), or whether its presence is associated with other processes not directly linked to NW Africa. Much of Italy is mixed. Not saying Italy is nonWhite - but, particularly the south, there is a lot of nonWhite genes. What exactly do the numbers mean...I'm looking at Europe in particular... Try reading it and if that doesn't work read a primer on this kind of study. -- Posted by GoloSLB at 8:39 pm on Jan. 1, 2009 Yeah...the third paragraph is what I'm talking about...the one you quoted...do you know how many ethnic groups are in Iberia...completely different? Anyway...I've been trying to figure out the chart...what are the other numbers besides H9? What do they mean? How does H9 correspond to whiteness or is H9 some kind of "arab" gene? Pages: 1 2  Next