Pages: 1 2  Next -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:28 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 By believing in theism, most people generally agree that there is one God and he created this universe, the earth, and the people on that. Following that belief one would say that if that is true, then you would believe he created your life to be executed out in the precise way it has in your past leading you to have no real free will in what you choose to do with your life. Not to mention, if the almighty, great god hand crafted each and everyone of us... how could a good and gracious god create pedophiles, murders and so on? -- Posted by Parsine at 9:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Paedophiles are cool, fuck off. -- Posted by Mein Alias at 9:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try. -- Posted by J U S T at 9:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Only if you mean monotheism. Polytheism would be a slightly different story. -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things -- Posted by gwen gardner at 9:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 thats a tough one.i don't think i'm even awake enough to get into that! -- Posted by Parsine at 9:31 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 By the way, "free will" requires a belief in the supernatural, since purely natural mechanics cannot allow it. -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:31 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 10:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try. Which makes no difference... each religion differs from another, but if you believe in God creating the world, universe, and everything else in it... how can you say you have free will? -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:32 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from JustKissedLilly at 9:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Only if you mean monotheism. Polytheism would be a slightly different story. i was thinking that at first too. but shes also mainly talking about christianity. hindus, for example, dont have predestination so their choices do matter -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:32 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things What about decisions that are made FOR us that are out of are hands such as death.... -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:32 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:30 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 yes i would agree we dont because its already planned out and its just a matter of time until the "decisions" are made    because satan has taken a hold of them and convinced them to do bad things What about decisions that are made FOR us that are out of are hands such as death.... it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die -- Posted by blufindr at 9:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try. No. The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do. -- Posted by dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 duh duh duh retard, just cuz they say there 9is one GOD doesn't mean there isn't satan to whoever....and satan is who causes all those wankers. I mean, plus, it really isn't as basic as you think it is..read Orsen Scott Card and get some fresh ideas yo. -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:31 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 10:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.     Which makes no difference... each religion differs from another, but if you believe in God creating the world, universe, and everything else in it... how can you say you have free will? monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:36 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one I wasn't attacking the belief in god haha you are misunderstanding, I am very obviously talking about ONE religion in general. -- Posted by Parsine at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from blufindr at 9:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.     No. The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do. That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king. -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die Hahah exactly. -- Posted by blufindr at 9:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 4:37 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king. Then there's the tough-love logic. -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:36 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 monotheism doesnt instantly mean christianity or that you believe in God. you could always believe in another god there just has to be one I wasn't attacking the belief in god haha you are misunderstanding, I am very obviously talking about ONE religion in general. when did i say you were attacking it? -- Posted by Parsine at 9:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 and satan is who causes all those wankers. No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.) -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 10:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king. But that is the point really... pointing out the flaws with religion... things that don't really add up. A religious person would say "God knew... it was part of his plan." -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die Hahah exactly. i dont understand...so i win? -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from blufindr at 9:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Mein Alias at 4:29 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 That only applies to people who believe in Predestination. Nice try.     No. The very definition of God, including omniscience, implies that s/he will know your entire life. Thus, nothing you do will really be your own decision, since someone already knew what you were going to do.   That's a childish definition of omniscience. If the Christian God knew the future, he never would have made Saul king.   but he knew that he had to make Saul king. we couldnt possibly understand why things happen the way they do, but everything that happens has a purpose in the end -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 when did i say you were attacking it? Oh no wasn't saying you were! Just simply clarifing that I wasn't trying to use this post to generally describe ALL religions... -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 10:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 and satan is who causes all those wankers. No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.) What the hell is your problem? -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:42 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die    Hahah exactly. i dont understand...so i win? It can't possibly be part of a plan, and yet still be considered free will. That is my only point. -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:42 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 9:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 and satan is who causes all those wankers. No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.) free will doesnt cause evil, it causes chaos. evil is a whole different story entirely. yes, people would tend to turn to evil if given free will, but people arent made good by taking free will away -- Posted by LucidAssassin at 9:43 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:42 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:39 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:37 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:34 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 it was all a part of the plan anyway. you were meant to die   Hahah exactly.    i dont understand...so i win? It can't possibly be part of a plan, and yet still be considered free will. That is my only point. but i agreed with you that there is no free will -- Posted by Parsine at 9:43 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from xsharpi at 9:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from Parsine at 10:38 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from dpade1337 at 9:35 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 and satan is who causes all those wankers.    No, free will causes evil. (To clarify, I'm not talking about paedophiles like the dipshit OP.) What the hell is your problem? I can't stand illiteracy and bigotry. but he knew that he had to make Saul king. He said he regreted making Saul king. -- Posted by Lady Catastrophic at 9:44 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from LucidAssassin at 10:43 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 but i agreed with you that there is no free will Bahh I know... lol I was just discussing it with ya :P Pages: 1 2  Next