-- Posted by Bud2400 at 9:59 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Look at these Jews from all around the world. Aren't they all so representative of a single Jewish race, completely separate from any other race? European Jew (couldn't catch the name, but he was one of the guys kidnapped by Hezbollah a couple years ago): Syrian Jew (Rabbi Eli Mansour): Ethiopian Jew: Indian Jews: Descendants of the Kaifeng Jews in China: Obviously these pictures conclude only one thing: That Jews are a single race with many racial (Semitic) features in common, and in no way intermix with the people they live around at all, and as such, have a genetic / ancestral right to the land of Israel.  Only anti-semitic nazis would deny this. Wouldn't you agree? -- Posted by SovSull at 10:04 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 yahweh ackbar -- Posted by whoisabs at 10:23 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 obviously the jew nose -- Posted by Bud2400 at 10:29 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from whoisabs at 10:23 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 obviously the jew nose I dunno.  Even the Syrian Jew's nose is a lot longer than the European Jew's nose, and neither are fatter than the Ethiopian Jew's nose. -- Posted by jakelong at 10:45 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 The Kaifeng jewish nose is so much obviously bigger than other chinese nose...   -- Posted by Bud2400 at 10:53 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 Quote: from jakelong at 10:45 pm on Jan. 8, 2009 The Kaifeng jewish nose is so much obviously bigger than other chinese nose... The descendants of the Kaifeng Jews are a bit questionable as they more than likely have been intermixing with the rest of the Chinese population (all the Kaifeng Jews have "died out," or rather, ceased to exist as a group), but despite that, they don't look very different from the photos of the actual Kaifeng Jews 100 years ago.  And moreover, this doesn't stop their descendants from identifying themselves as ethnic Jews. -- Posted by jakelong at 1:06 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 I was joking you know   -- Posted by kidd rune at 9:08 am on Jan. 10, 2009 (couldn't catch the name, but he was one of the guys kidnapped by Hezbollah a couple years ago) Gilad Shalit. But, Bud - it's not ME that says Jews are a race - it's some of them. I say they are nonWhite - not a race entirely. The Ashkenazi Jews may be able to be grouped into one race - or maybe the can't. But with all the genetic testing done on Jewish populations -it comes out that their gene pool is less White than the American Black gene pool. -- Posted by jakelong at 9:06 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:08 am on Jan. 10, 2009 I say they are nonWhite - not a race entirely. So the guy in the first pic isn't white? You did his genetic makeup and found scientific proof that that guy is not white? As we say over an over some Jews are white some are not. Why do you claim NONE of them are white? -- Posted by Expando1 at 9:13 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 there's only one race...the Human Race -- Posted by kidd rune at 1:10 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 So the guy in the first pic isn't white? You did his genetic makeup and found scientific proof that that guy is not white? He has features not found among White populations. As we say over an over some Jews are white some are not. Why do you claim NONE of them are white? The only way a Jew can be racially White is if he converts - and even then he's not considered a Jew by Orthodox Jews. -- Posted by jakelong at 8:54 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 1:10 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 He has features not found among White populations. Like what? The only way a Jew can be racially White is if he converts Some whites DID convert to judaism. - and even then he's not considered a Jew by Orthodox Jews. Some Orthodox Jews even consider Reform Jews who are not converts  as not "jewish". So thats no proof of anything. -- Posted by Bud2400 at 11:06 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from kidd rune at 9:08 am on Jan. 10, 2009 I say they are nonWhite - not a race entirely. Even the Ashkenazis are quite ethnically diverse depending on which area you're looking at. I have doubts about the whole being less whites that blacks in the US bit (I'd really wonder who they're sampling and consider an "Ashkenazi Jew" to determine that as that could very well be biased, and how that would compare with what they consider a typical Arab's genes). And to be quite honest, whatever their genetics are is a moot point (and either way, nobody can make a valid argument that all Jews are composed of a single ethnic group). For all intents and purposes, the European Jews may as well be regarded as white - they look white, they are treated as whites, they generally hold Western values, Israel (which is full of those European Jews) has a Western style government, and all that. The genetics have may be at the roots of race, but the socially constructed part of race is what makes all the difference, for if we don't act on it, how much does it honestly matter? It's Israelis like that Gilad Shalit guy, as well as American backing of Israel, who make the Arab world convinced that Zionism is essentially a Western crusade. -- Posted by jakelong at 12:31 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Honestly usually I don't even like to label ppl as white or whatever until they tell me. The bottom line is that Jews can be of any race. Just trying to look at someone and saying he looks white or he doesn't look white is totally subjective in the end. And ppl who go around trying to genetically test others to find out their race (unless its for some medical or scientific research thing) should get their head examined. Somewhere along the line we really should stop tripping over crazy stuff like that. -- Posted by jakelong at 12:37 am on Jan. 12, 2009 Quote: from Bud2400 at 11:06 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 It's Israelis like that Gilad Shalit guy, as well as American backing of Israel, who make the Arab world convinced that Zionism is essentially a Western crusade. Some of that is true yeah. But I also think that some imams also take advantage of the whole situation to launch their own counter-crusade by making a big deal out of some seperate incidents and make themselves look important. I mean it all goes both ways in that mess you know. And yeah it doesn't help either that Bush actually called the war on terror a crusade