-- Posted by FTF at 9:11 am on Jan. 9, 2009 I'd say the 2009 Pontiac G8 ST, a car-based sport truck from Australia, was dead on arrival. Sad fact is; it never arrived. General Motors has canceled the G8 ST and an executive at Pontiac-Buick-GMC has stated that this is part of their recovery plan approved by congress when General Motors requested government financial assistance in the form of an emergency bailout. Said Pontiac spokeswoman said its because they want to focus on more fuel efficient cars like the re-badged Chevrolet Aveo5, the Pontiac Wave. Essentially what this means is, say goodbye to the G8 and hello to the Aveo with a Pontiac badge. The spokeswoman went on to say that the brand is to be downsized extensively, as Buick was in the early 2000s. Its possible that once again Pontiac will be reduced to nothing but automatic-only, I4/V6-powered, front wheel drive economy cars. Source: Jalopnik.com In other news, Saab is for sale. Joining Hummer in the new section of GM brands that nobody wants to buy. -- Posted by FTF at 9:13 am on Jan. 9, 2009 More news! There is hope form an unexpected source. Perhaps Chrysler Corporation isn't run by complete idiots? Rumors have come forth of Chrysler planning a light-weight compact car-based pickup truck from Dodge. Edit: Real HP numbers for the Chevrolet Camaro have been released. The top end SS makes a lowly 426HP. Over 100HP less then the equivalent 2010 Mustang GT500 (which makes 540HP and will be priced comparatively). By the way, the Camaro is put on hold for another month. In Ford-related news, Ford can now brag on having the most fuel efficient mid-size hybrid sedan, and the most fuel efficient gasoline-powered four door sedan available in the North American market. Thats right, mere weeks after Ford took the crown for most fuel efficient hybrid, the 2010 Fusion S with 2.5L I4 and four speed automatic got rated at 23 city, 34 highway by the EPA. More then any other gas powered sedan on the market. Beat that Toyota. -- Posted by IMPALA at 4:32 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 he top end SS makes a lowly 426HP. Over 100HP less then the equivalent 2010 Mustang GT500 (which makes 540HP and will be priced comparatively). By the way, the Camaro is put on hold for another month. you do realize that this is because the fucking mustang is supercharged, right -- Posted by FTF at 4:43 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 I would not be surprised if the Mustang turns out to be cheaper. Also, no I think the power numbers just come out of thin air because Ford is just that good. Supercharged or whatever, the Mustang is undeniably more powerful by a very large margin. -- Posted by ScoobyDoo82 at 4:49 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Crawling out from under your rock eh? The G8 ST has been dead for days now. -- Posted by FTF at 4:52 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 The Rampage/Dakota/Dodge sport truck rumors started today, and that reminded me. If Nardelli goes through with these talkings, its official that Dodge > Chevy in my opinion. -- Posted by soldierofjustice3 at 4:56 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 You know the GT500 starts at around 43k, and the SS is *supposed* to be 30k. That makes it pretty far apart, in terms of price, and much closer to the Mustang GT (Around 25-27k) for comparison purposes.   If you look at it that way, you get the Camaro SS with over 100hp MORE than the comparatively priced Mustang GT. -- Posted by FTF at 5:10 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Firstly the GT500 starts at around $41,000. Secondly, I heard $45,000 for the SS. Which would make sense, since all other variants are priced two to five grand more then the equivalent 'Stang. For example, the Mustang starts at $3,000 less then the Camaro. -- Posted by soldierofjustice3 at 6:34 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Edmunds say the 09 goes for 43,125 w/o destination charge. The 08 was in the mid 42's.   Everywhere says 31k for the SS.   Sorry, but you've just got bad information. The Mustang GT is MUCH more comparable than the GT500. Thats always been the issue with fords sports car lineup. They try to use the mustang as their plug and play item for everything. I think GM did itself a great favor by keeping such a high level of prestige for its Corvette, while making its own pony car. Granted, not all the info is out about the Camaro, and the key word is *starts* at 31k, But even if the price creeps up to 33, or 34, its still not a bad deal. Its very comparable with the G8's pricing as well. GT500 Pricing SS starts at 30995 -- Posted by FTF at 6:49 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Edmunds. LMFAO. -- Posted by IMPALA at 7:06 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 god damnit stop being a fucking idiot -- Posted by FTF at 7:11 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 lol -- Posted by IMPALA at 7:14 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 i'ma cut you -- Posted by soldierofjustice3 at 7:14 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Edmunds has saved me at least 4 thousand dollars of the years. -- Posted by FTF at 7:15 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Edmunds is for peoples who drive Mazdas and think they are totally different from Ford Focii/Focus'/w/e/ -- Posted by soldierofjustice3 at 7:19 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Uh huh. Because the build quality of my MS3 is really all that similar to a focus. The USDM focus isn't even built on the same platform. Is fish raping season running late this year? Is that why your panties are all bunched up these days? -- Posted by FTF at 7:26 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 European market Focus is what I was referring to. As for your second q, yes. I'm fucking broke. I only have $160 in my wallet at the moment. FUCKK. -- Posted by soldierofjustice3 at 8:05 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 The Europeans get such better cars than us. The Focus ST over there is supposed to be a beast, if a little heavy, and underpowered compared to the mazda. -- Posted by FTF at 8:23 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Lucky bastards. Though I heard the new RS costs more then a GT500, but that prolly has something to do with the economy and such. -- Posted by emo sux69 at 8:41 pm on Jan. 9, 2009 Quote: from soldierofjustice3 at 3:05 pm on Jan. 10, 2009 The Europeans get such better cars than us. The Focus ST over there is supposed to be a beast, if a little heavy, and underpowered compared to the mazda. The Focus ST is just the Volvo S40 T5. Same power Same engine Same drivetrian and same chassis but lighter thanks to lack of luxurys compared to volvo, and quite abit cheaper and better looking. The RS is what is the real beast.