-- Posted by asia lover at 1:19 am on Jan. 11, 2009 We all know the stereotypes associated with Christians. That they are shoving their religion down your throat, ignorant, etc etc. But perhaps we are judging to harshly? I am sure we can all agree that not all Christians are like that. Oh and when I say Christians I am referring to all of Christianity. Sure they may have of been a bunch of zealots in the past, but lately I feel as though the Christians have been suffering for something that they are not totally responsible for. I can understand the dislike of the fundamentalists, but I think we are starting to categorize all of them like that. What do you think golivewire? I guess this could apply to all religions groups in a way. -- Posted by t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m at 1:20 am on Jan. 11, 2009 i am a athiest i dont beleve this -- Posted by BackPorch at 1:20 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I think it differs from church to church. -- Posted by CuntFace at 1:20 am on Jan. 11, 2009 my religion is against christianity one hundred percent so, YAY!!! -- Posted by Style Out at 1:21 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from BackPorch at 1:20 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I think it differs from church to church. Kinda sad but yeah pretty true -- Posted by smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -- Posted by Neodymie at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 True that. People for some reason have it in their heads that Christianity is some terrible thing. Yeah they did some bad things in the past but now do they really harm anyone? I used to be very involved in my church and even though I don't believe or attend anymore I'd definitely say I'm a a better person today because of it. -- Posted by Chelle92 at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 it depens on the location -- Posted by asia lover at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Oh that is the other thing I noticed. A lot of people are getting on Jesus' case. He was a good man, and had a good heart. But a lot of people are pinning what happened throughout history on him. -- Posted by Sector Corrupt at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states? Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back. -- Posted by smartlake at 1:26 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from asia lover at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi:    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Oh that is the other thing I noticed. A lot of people are getting on Jesus' case. He was a good man, and had a good heart. But a lot of people are pinning what happened throughout history on him. There are a lot of ignorant Christians, and a lot of people ignortant ABOUT Christianity (both Christians and non-Christians).   -- Posted by asia lover at 1:28 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:26 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from asia lover at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi:   "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Oh that is the other thing I noticed. A lot of people are getting on Jesus' case. He was a good man, and had a good heart. But a lot of people are pinning what happened throughout history on him. There are a lot of ignorant Christians, and a lot of people ignortant ABOUT Christianity (both Christians and non-Christians). lol that is my family right there. Mom's side, super fundamentalist, takes the Bible extremely literally and damns many many people, then my dad's side, very agnostic/atheist, does not think of Christians as good people. I am stuck in the middle of the two. -- Posted by arwen rashka at 1:29 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I'm Christian. I try to be a good person. I don't judge people. That's all I need to know. If people want to judge me, there's nothing I can do about it, but be me. It's a personal choice, and it's not something I'm forcing others to be. However, some people have inquired about my religion and turned to Christ after they found out I was Christian [I was quite flattered by that.] But no, it really depends on the Church. No offense to Jehovah's Witnesses, but that's the kind've thing that makes people disagree with Christianity, along with the God Hates Fags sect, and the extremists who believe that because they believe in God, God has given them some almighty power to judge and condemn. -- Posted by asia lover at 1:31 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?   Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back. Hah yeah that is true. We had a hard time electing Kennedy and only because he is a Catholic -- Posted by asia lover at 1:32 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from arwen rashka at 1:29 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I'm Christian. I try to be a good person. I don't judge people. That's all I need to know. If people want to judge me, there's nothing I can do about it, but be me. It's a personal choice, and it's not something I'm forcing others to be. However, some people have inquired about my religion and turned to Christ after they found out I was Christian [I was quite flattered by that.] But no, it really depends on the Church. No offense to Jehovah's Witnesses, but that's the kind've thing that makes people disagree with Christianity, along with the God Hates Fags sect, and the extremists who believe that because they believe in God, God has given them some almighty power to judge and condemn. Yeah my friends are like this. It is a good thing, to see us coexisting :) -- Posted by smartlake at 1:32 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from asia lover at 1:28 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:26 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from asia lover at 1:23 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 1:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi:       "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Oh that is the other thing I noticed. A lot of people are getting on Jesus' case. He was a good man, and had a good heart. But a lot of people are pinning what happened throughout history on him.    There are a lot of ignorant Christians, and a lot of people ignortant ABOUT Christianity (both Christians and non-Christians).   lol that is my family right there. Mom's side, super fundamentalist, takes the Bible extremely literally and damns many many people, then my dad's side, very agnostic/atheist, does not think of Christians as good people.   I am stuck in the middle of the two. Yeah, I am in the middle too.  I am kinda leaning more on the side of your Dad's family concerning Christians themselves, not the actual religion.  Well, on the ignorant factor.  I had to explain to this lady that saying "Xmas" was not offensive and has a deep historic basis--that is what confirmed my thinking that a lot of Christians are ignorant about their religion.   Also, a lot of Christians from a certain region of the US *coughthesouthcough* seem to pick and chose which of the 10 commandments they think are the most important.  That is a whole other issue, though. -- Posted by Neodymie at 1:37 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?   Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back. Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections. -- Posted by King Kong at 2:03 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from neodymie at 9:37 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?  Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back. Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections. I the UK, members of a certain a sect of Christianity, can't hold a possession of power. That sect is Catholicism. This goes back to the Elisabeth the first.   -- Posted by Sector Corrupt at 4:43 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from neodymie at 4:37 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from evil bamboo at 1:25 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Not really. Much as there's now a very vocal uprising against Christianity, in places like the US it's exactly because it still holds a stranglehold. When was the last time anyone non-christian was even elected to an office of any importance in the states?  Simply put, the reason we're all so harsh on Christianity is because it's still the majority. Much as it wants to cry oppression now that people are fighting back. Uhh, that makes no sense. This is a democracy. That means the people choose who they elect. Obviously if Christians are the only ones winning then the people want Christians. It's not like that evil little sect of Christians is manipulating the vote and rigging elections. It is when the only reason the candidate one is because a majority of Christians would rather vote for an unqualified Christian than a perfectly qualified Atheist. It depressed me when I saw a poll that more than a majority of people wouldn't vote for a qualified Atheist. -- Posted by NikkiG at 4:54 am on Jan. 11, 2009 ^ You live in Canada. Worry about what Canadians do and not what Americans do. The people have spoken and they dont want an Atheist president. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 5:13 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from asia lover at 1:19 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Sure they may have of been a bunch of zealots in the past, but lately I feel as though the Christians have been suffering for something that they are not totally responsible for. I can understand the dislike of the fundamentalists, but I think we are starting to categorize all of them like that. What do you think golivewire? I guess this could apply to all religions groups in a way. Maybe we could try to condemn behaviors as opposed to 'groups?' Let's try opposing people, no matter their association of beliefs, who: 1. Condone violence as a means for furthering peace or belief, 2. Judge others when they lack perfection, 3. Forcefully proselytize ideas that they cannot prove, 4. Choose dogma over fellow human beings, 5. Hate women, 6. Are bigots, 7. Would rather convert than feed the poor, 8. Support wars, 9. Campaign against science, and 10. Marginalize opposing beliefs. When we speak in platitudes or lump people together into 'categories' we marginalize everyone's humanity and contribution. Btw...Christians cry loudly about oppression...what oppression?  Are they being physically attacked, like gay people are?  Are they losing their jobs for their belief like some atheist have?  No, they are only being forced to defend their superstitious beliefs.  That is hardly oppression. -- Posted by biflexible at 11:00 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Amusing that you've more chance of being elected to a public office if you're openly gay than openly atheist. * * * Quote: from NikkiG posted at 12:54 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 ^ You live in Canada. Worry about what Canadians do and not what Americans do. The people have spoken and they dont want an Atheist president. That would be wise advice if: i. US politics only affected US citizens; ii. Popularity held any ethical value; iii. Merely being associated with one nationality meant you care nothing for those of another nationality. -- Posted by draakprinses at 11:02 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 3:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Smart man, that Gandhi. -- Posted by LogicandReason at 1:58 pm on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from draakprinses at 11:02 am on Jan. 11, 2009 Quote: from smartlake at 3:22 am on Jan. 11, 2009 I agree with Gandhi:    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Smart man, that Gandhi. We've doctored his history a bit.  He was a die hard Hindu who promoted people siting at the spinning wheel and tried to thwart modernity.  While I completely respect his example of 'civil disobedience' as a political demonstration of peace and unity, I don't want Gandhi, our intentional object, to be seen beyond the human that he was.